14 Feb 2003 | malross said...

Ever heard of Ratner's? (People in the UK should be laughing at this point.)

14 Feb 2003 | pb said...

Why can't Detroit hire decent designers? Why is the Focus so popular?

14 Feb 2003 | Original Jim said...

Damn, Malross beat me to it...

14 Feb 2003 | Benjy said...

I've never understood why it is that nearly all American cars look like they've been designed by a committee, which decided to divide up the work and assemble the parts when done. So the front doesn't flow into the passengar compartment well, which doesn't quite connect right to the trunk.

The Japanese do this in a nice, clean cohesive manner. The Europeans do this in a way that more often than not creates a work of art. So why do American designers keep putting Azteks and Monte Carlos on the road?

14 Feb 2003 | hurley#1 said...

pb said "Why can't Detroit hire decent designers? Why is the Focus so popular?"

Not sure if that was a rhetorical question, but for those who don't know, the Focus was designed by the same guy who designed the Volkswagen Golf. It was designed for the European market, and was European Car of the Year for at least one if not two or three years running. The Focus is the vehicle that made me break my vow to never buy an American car. Great machine, despite the 13+ recalls.

14 Feb 2003 | Josh said...

I refuse to buy american cars because they tend to be so unreliable. I think they should focus on making the damn things run well, then they can address the obvious next issue of shooting the Aztek designers.

14 Feb 2003 | Steven Garrity said...

On topic: Sometimes it actually does pay to tell the truth. We're always careful to point out our shortcomings as a company to our clients - it deflates an unrealistic expectations and lends credibility to the things we claim we can do well.

Off topic: I like the look of the Focus. Haven't driven one yet. I'm curious (maybe this could be a full-SvN post: Honda Element - Good or Bad?

I'm undecided myself. First reaction was, "what the hell is that?". Second look left me curiously intrigued.

14 Feb 2003 | fajalar said...

Nice that the gas mileage doesn't suck on the Element. (21/26 2WD)

OT: Hovering over the hyperlinks is making all the comment text disappear. Clicking a hyperlink displays only the line of text the link is on.

14 Feb 2003 | SU said...

Why is the Focus so popular?

Have you ever driven a Focus ZX3? Not sure about its long-term reliability, but it's a really fun car to drive.

14 Feb 2003 | nathan said...

i first saw a honda element at Fry's and was totally intrigued.

now i'm sold since the element factsheet pdf features an element driving in front of my neighborhood taco stand on moorpark blvd in studio city, calif...reprazent! ;)

ahem, as for why american cars suck... US car mfgs are fiercely protected by the goverment, (think tax breaks and the goverment's Chrysler bailout of the 70s). It would be much better for consumers if US car makers had to face up to the full reality of competition.

Somewhat OT: I've seen plenty of posts on SvN about the evils of "big business" and "greed" and "monopoly". Listen up: monopolies in "the wild" are very rare, and any company that fixes prices only guarantees that they will upset customers and attract competitors. You only see long lasting monopolies and inflated prices when the government steps in to "protect" and play favorites with various industries.

As for the evils of the profit motive? Why do supermarkets operate on razor thin margins to provide abundant, varied, and affordable food 24 hrs. a day? Is it because the law compels them? Is it out of the goodness of their hearts? Nope...and if you don't believe me, just take a look at any country where the profit motive is absent.

14 Feb 2003 | hurley#1 said...

OT (on topic): There was a movie that came out in 1947 called Miracle on 34th Street (the original one, with Natalie Wood) that most of us have probably seen...it was all about honesty of this sort. I guess nobody much learned from it, though.

OT (off topic): I too am intrigued by the Honda Element, but the gas mileage does suck (sorry fajalar). Anything less than 35 miles per gallon sucks as far as I'm concerned (although my Focus ZX3 got about 31 so I guess I should relax my standards just a little).

14 Feb 2003 | Steve said...

Hurley, are you being ironic when you say it's a good car despite the 13 recalls? It's too bad Ford didn't just send the European version over here. That thing's built like a brick shithouse.

Regarding the Element, I think that it's one of the ugliest things I've ever seen. There's no way I'd ever drive something that's 50 percent plastic. I don't mind the shape, although boxy normally isn't my thing. It's the huge, enormous, excessive amounts of plastic. Makes it look ridiculously cheap. Same reason I don't like the Xterra.

As for why Detroit can't design nice-looking cars: there is some talent there, as some of the concept cars at the Detroit and LA auto shows illustratd. Some of my favorite cars were concept cars from Buick(!). I think they get killed in the bureaucracy from that point on. Detroit seems to be all about making cars that appeal to everyone, thereby appealing to no one. And, it's not like American design really is that cutting-edge anyway. How many mass-market American products would you say are well-designed? And Apple doesn't count as mass-market.

To be fair, how many mass-market products, period, are well-designed. The attractive stuff - like a BMW or Audi or some of the newer Volvos, to stick with cars - lies in the niche markets. The stuff that hits the broad middle is bland at best. Just look at a Camry or Accord.

14 Feb 2003 | hurley#1 said...

No, I wasn't being ironic about the Focus being great despite 13 recalls. I loved my ZX3 and would buy another one in a minute if I needed a car, which I don't since I now live in a city with good public transportation.

And yeah, the Element is ugly, but in a loveable way like the original Land Rover. (Talk about bad gas mileage...something like 8 mpg for the 1971 Series IIa 88" wheelbase Land Rover that I owned for a year until I realized it was more fun to go to the beach on weekends than to spend all my free time under that thing replacing the exhaust system, brake lines, and just about everything else).

14 Feb 2003 | fajalar said...

OT (off topic): I too am intrigued by the Honda Element, but the gas mileage does suck (sorry fajalar).

Sorry, I meant it's not bad for the type of vehicle it is: SUV-like.

16 Feb 2003 | mal said...

To counteract my rather negative original post, I guess I could cite Easyjet, the UK-based low-cost airline, as an example of honesty benefitting everyone. They've always stated that they don't provide the same quality of service as, say, British Airways, but that they do it loads cheaper. You could argue that they're just attacking a different market, but it's still fairly refreshing to know that you're getting a worse product and yet to be pleased about it.

17 Feb 2003 | said...

In the movie Crazy People, Dudley Moore is forced into an institution after writing 'truthful' ads. As close as I remember...

"The French can be annoying. Travel to Greece, we're nicer."

"Fly X? airline. Most of our passengers get there alive."

17 Feb 2003 | JH said...

Another great quote from that movie was the tag line they came up with for Volvo: "They're boxy, but they're good!"

To this day I think of that line everytime I see one.

17 Feb 2003 | Paperhead said...

JH said...
Another great quote from that movie was the tag line they came up with for Volvo: "They're boxy, but they're good!"

To this day I think of that line everytime I see one.

strange, that one's always stuck with me too. for years it was just so true . . .

18 Feb 2003 | Ben said...

Topic A: The Truth Is, The Truth Hurts

Topic B: The thing that I always wonder is why the auto makers insist on making their hybrid and fuel-efficient cars look like a poor interpretation of a pseudo-futuristic car. Just make the car look like any other car on the road, and maybe more people would start using them! I may say it's a bit shallow, but one of the (few) reasons why I don't own a hybrid is because they look like shit... like someone from the 1977 AMC Gremlin design team made a concept car for 2003.

18 Feb 2003 | hurley#1 said...

Hmm, does this look any different from a regular Honda Civic?

18 Feb 2003 | ek said...

Damn, how could you guys leave out the Crazy People tagline for Jaguar...

"Jaguar. For men who want to get handjobs from women they don't know."

As for the first-gen of hybrid cars looking crazy, I'm pretty sure it was done on purpose to draw attention to the cars. When you see a Honda Insight, you know that there's something different about it. I also think that for early adopters it was a point of pride to drive a car that everyone else knew was a hybrid.

But now that people seem fairly familiar with the concept the manufacturers are moving towards implementing hybrid drivetrains in existing designs; witness the Honda Civic hybrid that hurley#1 linked to and the soon to be released hybrid version of Lexus' RX330 (their small SUV).

You'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between those cars and their more traditional counterparts.

18 Feb 2003 | ek said...

Oh yeah, and I have to say that I fall into the camp of those who likes the Honda Element. Just like the fictitious Volvo tagline, "it's boxy, but good."

20 Feb 2003 | Nathan #2 said...

Steve said: The stuff that hits the broad middle is bland at best. Just look at a Camry or Accord.

It's true that much of the middle-of-the-road Japanese cars are bland (though whether Accord is bland or not could be debated, I suppose, since most every other vehicle produced follows 2 years behind Honda's design cues), but that's beside the point.

The point is American vehicles are poorly designed and poorly manufactured. It doesn't have to look like a million bucks to drive like it. Even if you happen to isolate one or two favorable American examples, Japanese vehicles are consistently well-designed, balanced, reliable, attractive, and will last a long time. My dad passed me his '89 Corolla, bought new, at 215,000 miles. It reached 300,000 and likely would have continued, had some fool not broadsided it. It was in better shape than US siblings a third its age.

In fact, you'll probably still see Corollas from the '70s on the road, same with Accords, Civics, et c. How far back can you trace, say, an Alero? An Intrepid? I can't help but notice that it seems new American models are generated annually (presumably to turn attention away from earlier models' shortcomings), run for a few years, and are retired to make way for the next distraction.

I concede that generalizations are just that--general. But it's hard to argue with experience. My '91 Sentra is a dream.

21 Feb 2003 | Don Schenck said...

America designs some GORGEOUS cars. Seriously. They just don't bring them to market.

Although, *thankfully*, that is changing. The 2005 Mustang is lovely. The Buick Centiene is nice. The Pontiac Solstice.

Besides, the Corolla is good-looking? The Miata (yuk)? The Lexus LX470 is u-g-l-y, as is the new SC 430. The Toyota Solara is a poor execution: You can't get a manual tranny. Puke.

SAAB baby, yeah!

21 Feb 2003 | ek said...

Word on the street, though, is that Saab is in big time financial trouble. If this next big push of products they're planning doesn't take hold in the marketplace GM may very well pull the plug. It's gotten so bad that they're going to do a "quick-and-dirty" SUV, probably based on the same platform as the Cadillac SRX (that was the initial idea, then Saab was going to do one of their own, and now it looks like they're back to the SRX idea due to time constraints).

Supposedly a small, three-door hatch based on Subaru's Impreza platform is in the offing from Saab and, if the sketches I've seen are any indication, it's going to be hot (it will also have AWD). Even though I've never owned a Saab I'd hate to see the marque go away. There's a quirkiness to it that's so lacking in modern cars.

21 Feb 2003 | Don Schenck said...

Yeah; their new "Save The Company" internal initiative is called "Viggen", which means "lightning".

Hope they can make it. But, to be honest, Subaru is the "poor man's SAAB", and I can't see anything out there touching the WRX, SAAB or otherwise. What a car!

24 Feb 2003 | Steve said...

I'm not so impressed with Saab lately. I think no longer having a hatchback for the 9-3 was a big mistake. Really, what's the difference between that and the 9-5 now? The 5-door was one of those marks of Saab, and back in the day where it seemed like no one could make a hatchback that didn't look like crap, Saab made ones that looked great.

Don, you're right that Americans do design great cars, but they never make it to market. Some of the most impressive vehicles I saw at the LA Auto Show this year were Buicks(!). For whatever reason, good design doesn't seem to make it to market. Instead, we end up with faux retro crap like the PT Cruiser.

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