29 Sep 2003 | Benjy said...

I see your friend is a typical Cubs fan! Drinking placed first in importance. I have nothing against a nice, cold beer at the ballpark, but baseball comes first in my book. That's why I've been a life long Sox fan despite my North Shore upbringing and current North Side residency. If only the Sox had fired Jerry Manuel back in May like they should have...

30 Sep 2003 | Thumper said...

Benjy,

You are quite right. I have never seen any drunk fans at Comiskey, ahem, I mean true-to-its-baseball roots US Cellular Field. That place is only for true baseball fans who appreciate the game--and occassionally bum-rushing opposing teams' aging base coaches.

30 Sep 2003 | chief knockahoma said...

My Braves will walk all over your hot dog eating ass.

30 Sep 2003 | Benjy said...

Thumper, actually the last fan attack was a Cubs fan who had spent the day drinking at Wrigley before attending the night game at U.S. Cellular.

I'm not saying there aren't drunks at Sox games but there just seems to be more of an attitude with Sox fans that they are going to a baseball game where beer happens to be present, while Cubs fans are going to a drinking party where baseball happens to be present.

30 Sep 2003 | Thumper said...

Benjy,

1. I don't care where the guy started out. The fact is he was at US Cellular.

2. Your opinion is a popular way to distinguish between the two venues and fans, but I don't buy it. While there is certainly a set of people at Wrigley who are there solely for the social aspect--including alcohol--certainly not all are.

Average attendance for 2003:
Wrigley - 32,543
US Cellular - 17,368

I'll be generous and assume that 1/3 of Cubs attendance are going to drink (how much of the attendance at a White Sox game will you concede is there to "drink"). If that is the case, there are still more "baseball fans" going to watch a Cubs games than White Sox games.

30 Sep 2003 | andrew said...

I'll shamelessly pillage my friend Motero's idea here, which he sent into a Trib sports reporter.

Cubs had the day off, so we went to half-price Monday at Comiskey (U.S. Cellular! Pthewie!) with our mutual Sox friend. It was the opening game against the Twins, and they were tied for the division lead. The Sox managed to draw (for them) a whopping 29,000+. On a beautiful summer evening, half-price tickets, kicking off a series that would help determine the fate of the Sox season, 29,000 people showed up. Our Sox friend muttered, "This is pathetic. This game should be a sell-out."

To which Motero asked, "What do you think would draw more: Sox half-price Mondays, or Cubs double-price Mondays?"

Benjy, anyone who would run out on a field and attack someone is not a baseball fan. Period.

30 Sep 2003 | Benjy said...

andrew, I agree it's pathetic that more people don't go to Sox games. I think part of it has to do with the economics of their more working class fan base (even on 1/2 price night, parking, beer, etc. are still outrageous) and part has to do with a mostly unjust perception of the park. It's really not that bad, it's just too close to Wrigley (which I view as a the best ballpark in the league despite being a Sox fan). Hopefully the new Soldier Field will improve the perception of Comiskey.

I also agree 100% that anyone who runs onto the field is not a fan. I couldn't believe that the guy who attacked the coach with his son only got probation. I'd have locked him away for a while.

01 Oct 2003 | Tibloto said...

All I gotta say is:

Cubs Win!

01 Oct 2003 | andrus said...

I have never been to a game with so much fighting and trash talking going on. It was getting pretty rowdy at the ol' Ted. Good game though.

01 Oct 2003 | Andrew said...

I'm not a Cubs fan, but the idea that Dusty turned them into a winner is ludicrous. The team improved mainly because they had a full season from Mark Prior, Kerry Wood and Carlos Zambrano. Arguably, Dusty's impact was nil. In fact, Dusty arguably hurt the Cubs by playing Karros and Simon over Choi, continuing to start Shawn Estes all season (the worst starter in the NL this year, by far), and over-using his 'verteran' bench players like Michael Tucker (who is far worse than anyone thwe Cubs could pick up on the waiver wire or at AAA).

01 Oct 2003 | andrew said...

The influence of a coach/manager will always be debated. Succeed and you're a genius. Fail and you're drummed out of town. (Exhibit 1A: Jerry Manuel).

Even Dusty has said (earlier this year, I believe) that his decisions are good for 2-3 wins a year, tops. He's still one of the best managers in baseball. I mean, c'mon! Who wouldn't want to hang out with that guy in dugout for 162 games! If anything, his attitude about the game and life is contagious.

06 Oct 2003 | bigfish said...

Hope you enjoyed your little victory, because this is as far as you will go.

06 Oct 2003 | Don Schenck said...

I don't hear much from chief knockahoma these days.

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