Danno 07 Mar 06

Err, isn’t this sort of how the Internet’s been since Newsgroups were invented?

Rahul 07 Mar 06

So, basically, we’re all a bunch of losers and need to get over ourselves as we obviously have no lives. Invigorating!

I’m also taking votes as to the reason that members of the knitting community frequently use internet geekspeak phrases such as “teh”.

Dave C 07 Mar 06

Hmmm…guess that’s what it means to be in the service business.

Lots of rude, ignorant, demanding, but, well…PAYING customers :-) Ignore them at your peril.

Your loudest detractors can become your biggest fans if they feel listened to. That doesn’t mean you have to do everything they say. A certain percentage will never be happy, and that’s OK too, as long as you listen respectfully.

Now, for the non-paying trolls that just want to tear down what you’re doing, well, screw them!

Drew Pickard 07 Mar 06

The great lie of the internet is that our opinions matter.

Matt Todd 07 Mar 06

I used to believe that it was our money that mattered most, until 37 Signals told me that they couldn’t nor would they ever have an option to pay for Basecamp on a yearly basis. Unfortunately for me, my (state) organization cannot have monthly ‘subscriptions’ (as they call it).

So, what is the most important, or, rather, what matters most?

M.T.

Brad 07 Mar 06

This is a great example Matt. I appreciate the context and the application.

It’s amazing how many times customers make the assumption that inaction to a request or a suggestion equals ignorance to a issue. Or worse yet, a paying customer is always right.

The customer is always right to comment, always right to suggest, always right to make a request. But if their loyalty is dictated by the positive and immediate reaction of the company; well, you can have that customer.

McDonalds says that the customer is always right; but this refers to a complaint about a received product or service. “My hamburger is cold, my fries taste stale, my drink is flat…”. Never do they say that the customer is always right when some ‘paying’ patron requests a taco instead of a cheeseburger.

I don’t intentionally piss off potential customers. Nor am I a jerk to existing customers. But I do vehemently believe that I am the best judge of my products; for good or for ill. If I didn’t believe this, I couldn’t forge into the future with the risks that are inherent to a small business owner. I’m responsive, I’m courteous, I’m diligent, but I’m no one’s bitch.

Don Wilson 07 Mar 06

Yes, let’s make fun of someone demanding a company add products to their service that would, in turn, make them more money. It’s not like she’s making them stop everything they’re doing just to please her, it’s just asking the designers to do a little more work to accept a larger customer base.

Since the guys at 37s have said in the past that developers should change their habits in not focusing on the design portion, how about designers focus on the developmental side as well? This can be applied to the designers needing to focus on the customer side in this certain situation.

Why should there be bickering and letting people down because you don’t care to do the extra work and still maintain that level of flexibility within your work? Do you want to stay as the ‘cool’ business that goes outside the norm by denying your customers what they want with quick responses like “because we didnt want to” or “just because.”

Why has gaining customers by adding features become a bad thing? Does adding features to your product line, in this case more sizes, inadvertantly cause more problems then it’s worth? Or can the business focus on what it can do to stop that sideeffect another way than turning away customers?

JF 07 Mar 06

Why has gaining customers by adding features become a bad thing?

It’s not a bad thing when it’s the right features and the right customers. But trying to chase the wrong customers with the wrong features is a bad thing.

Every company offers up their own feature/price/benefit mix with their product. Customers should find the mix that suits them best.

BMW thinks they know what makes a great car. Audi too. Ford as well. They offer their products in that spirit and customers that like BMW go for BMW, customers that like Audi go for Audi, and customers that like Ford go for Ford.

Different strokes for different folks.

Rabbit 07 Mar 06

I liken all this to my current hosting issue. I would like very much to run on FreeBSD instead of Linux. But they don’t support Linux, nor will they ever (most likely).

This isn’t the host’s fault. They know and like Linux, and that’s what they choose to run. They may or may not lose me to a that does provide BSD.

However, I _like_ my host in every other respect. They’re affordable (a big one in my book), they’re responsive and they don’t mind helping me out with issues that other hosts would charge for (e.g. setting up a subdomain).

First off that person is fat, obviously. So in my mind I see a fat (“bitch”) that wants to complain instead of getting off her (fat) ass and doing something about it.

I could complain all day to my host, or I could find another one.

*nods* to Rahul about the seemingly intentional use of “teh.” I hate that mispelling because I often see it done on purpose.

Interesting perspective Drew Pickard — makes me feel very uneasy… like the Internet is a huge time sink meant to distract us while our overlords plan something big…

Rajan 07 Mar 06

hmmm….I wonder why I bother coding my site in a standard and cross-browser comptible way? I should probably stop doing that and tell everyone that all they have to do is use the latest version of IE to view my site correctly. I know some people will complain because it’s a hassle for them but why should I cater to them? Think of all the work this will save me!!!

Don Wilson 07 Mar 06

It�s not a bad thing when it�s the right features and the right customers. But trying to chase the wrong customers with the wrong features is a bad thing.

I agree, but I think the reason why you get so many people frustrated with the business plan of not accepting all requests/customers is that you guys don’t always fully explain this. The usual 37s subscriber already knows this, but typically the one who is denied doesn’t, which in turn causes more wasted time of explaining things. This is a problem that you guys take on when you preach the gospel of business simplistics.

Audrey 07 Mar 06

I knit, and I don’t think the discussion above is actually a very good example of what I think you’re trying to demonstrate (which is something about the right of companies to make decisions to limit their offerings in order to support a larger vision of the nature of the product or service, yes?). If there is nothing on the market that meets your needs, and you don’t have the time/abilty/inclination to create it yourself, shouldn’t you start asking the existing companies in that market why? And expect at least a polite consideration of the issue? The yarn/knitting/pattern industry seems to make things difficult for knitters who want something that isn’t “hot” this year, or a larger size than a magazine normally offers. Increasing the offered pattern sizes would be a relatively small amount of work for the number of customers they could gain by doing so.

Anonymous Coward 07 Mar 06

I agree, but I think the reason why you get so many people frustrated with the business plan of not accepting all requests/customers is that you guys don�t always fully explain this.

37s has said time and again that they listen to all requests. Anyone who thinks that any request they make will be in the product tomorrow has an expectations problem. That’s not 37s’ problem.

JF 07 Mar 06

Companies should do what they are good at. If they’re lucky enough to find enough customers that like what they’re good at then they can run a nice successful business. If they can’t then they’re going to go away. But there isn’t a single things wrong with a company deciding to do what they are good at, laying it all out on the table, and saying “This is our product, we hope you like it. If you have some ideas on how to improve it we’d love to hear from you, but we can’t make any guarantees that they’ll be added.”

Marcus 07 Mar 06

So… you’re basically saying that your customers suck, right?

I don’t think I’ve seen a company complain about their customers on their website before; maybe over a pint, but not on their official website.

Are feature requests really that painful to deal with at 37signals?

JF 07 Mar 06

So� you�re basically saying that your customers suck, right?

Where, how, and why did you come to THAT conclusion?

Are feature requests really that painful to deal with at 37signals?

Again, huh? We listen to everyone’s requests. 90% of all new features added to our products originate as customer requests. But when you get hundreds (maybe thousands) of requests you have to be selective about what makes it in. Being selective is not “hating” anyone.

WOW!

Jeff Coleman 07 Mar 06

All I want to know is WHY can’t that person quoted type the word “the”? Is she deliberately using “teh”, has that ironic intentional misspelling invaded the world of knitting as well?

Jeff Hartman 07 Mar 06

I have been following a thread about sizing in knitting patterns.

A thread about knitting!

Ha! You funny.

Jeff Coleman 07 Mar 06

Also, I’m a little lost as to what the specifics of an internet argument over knitting have to do with 37 signals?

Anonymous Coward 07 Mar 06

Increasing the offered pattern sizes would be a relatively small amount of work for the number of customers they could gain by doing so.

Sure, it always seems that way to the customer. But without knowing the ins and outs of what it takes to make the product, what you imagine to be a “relatively small amount of work” could easily be far more work than it’s worth.

Fortunately, it’s their decision to do more work and potentially gain more customers, not yours.

Anonymous Coward 07 Mar 06

And here’s a great article about how things that look easy often aren’t.

Kathleen Fasanella 07 Mar 06

Oh my! I thought I was the only person who had to deal with this crap! I work in apparel manufacturing and I dread -dread- the letters from obese women (BBW). Without fail, they seem to think that *every* manufacturer should be compelled to cut clothes in their size or they shouldn’t be in business. When I’ve tried to spell out the considerable financial consequences, they don’t care. They minimize the difference as being an issue of fabric use, that it only costs a dollar or so but my god, it’s a lot higher than that. When I talk to these women, you find that there *are* companies that sell clothes in their size but they don’t want to buy them because the clothes “are too expensive” so what it boils down to, is that some people expect you to produce what they want and at the price they’re willing to pay. It’s totally bogus.

Worse, some of these people are actually trying to have sizes regulated. For example, in Argentina, retail sizing has become legislated. I wrote a post called “tyranny of tiny sizes” that disusses this. Anytime I write about sizing on my blog, I get a lot of hate mail from BBW. It gets old. I’m glad to see somebody call it like I do.

Sarah 07 Mar 06

The knitters don’t know how lucky they are. Try finding decent *crochet* patterns in any size…

Rabbit 07 Mar 06

For those not versed, BBW stands for Big Beautiful Woman. Which, often times (though not always), is a farce.

The old adage, “it takes all kinds,” rings loud and clear here.

I don’t mind a full-figured chick, but when you’re fucking Shamoo, learn to sew your own damn clothes, or stop eating so much and start walking more.

You know, take care of yourself.

Marcus 07 Mar 06

Being selective is not �hating� anyone.

This crux of this post isn’t about being selective. Using some else’s example from a knitting forum is a clear proxy for 37s to bitch about your own customers’ requests. The first paragraph states as much.

Paul 07 Mar 06

Every company offers up their own feature/price/benefit mix with their product. Customers should find the mix that suits them best.

I agree with you JF, but I think the example doesn’t stick here. It’s more of an issue of accessibility than feature sets. If you’re plus-sized, you already have an incredibly small subset of resources. On top of that, those resources are probably not going to have the same depth and, in this case, knitting patterns of those that are for another audience.

Kathleen: It�s totally bogus.

I disagree wholeheartedly. It’s not bogus when this involves the majority of people in (at least) the US. It involves having the same clothes available that people who aren’t fat do. Heck, you can even charge more. That’s fine. Just stick to the same patterns.

It gets old.

Then maybe you should consider changing your business model, if demand is so great. There is a ton of money out there in catering to plus sizes, waiting to be made to someone who puts out non-ugly clothes. Your customers just want to be able to access your service. What’s wrong with that?

If you choose to exclude a majority of users, that’s fine - but be prepared to deal with the fallout of ignoring their concerns and their pocketbooks.

Paul 07 Mar 06

(PS: Can we get Rabbit’s comment hit with a troll hat? Calling people “Shamu”? Come on.)

Audrey 07 Mar 06

I don’t really think this is the appropriate forum to go on about knitting and women’s clothing sizes, but to respond to “Anonymous Coward”, I do actually design my own knitting patterns, so I know what kind of work is involved. I say it’s marginal to the goodwill created by demonstrating that you actually want your designs to fit a variety of real live people.

I’m really appalled by the anti-fat people comments.

ML 07 Mar 06

Using some else�s example from a knitting forum is a clear proxy for 37s to bitch about your own customers� requests.

Marcus, I don’t think that’s actually clear at all. First of all, the contents of this post were written by Tarasine Buck, not any of the 37signals employees. She noted a similarity between these complaints and those received by 37signals. She thought it was interesting. We agreed. We thought others might also so we decided to share it publicly (with Tarasine’s consent).

Sure, we sometimes get people who we think are complaining unreasonably but we definitely don’t hate our customers. We listen to everyone�s requests. 90% of all new features added to our products originate as customer requests.

Brandon Eley 07 Mar 06

To tell you the truth, I’m sick of all this politically correct “we deserve blah blah blah” attitude. Everyone thinks you should bend over backwards to make them happy even if it’s not the direction you want your company to go. When you say no, they cry discrimination.

If I want to sell a product or service to a specific market or niche, I should be able to without worrying about someone coming in whining about the fact that I don’t cater to them. If that woman wanted a magazine for knitting XXXXXXL clothes she could publish one herself. If the people who read this blog want a project management software solution with 1,000 features they can make it themselves.

No one deserves anything from a company. The company provides a product or service. If you don’t like it, it offends you, doesn’t offer what you need, is lacking in a feature or has too damned many take your business elsewhere and quit whining.

It’s called a free market economy because we are free to offer the products and services we want to the customers we want to deal with. I don’t like selling $300 static websites, so I don’t. Period. Don’t like it? Go somewhere else; I’m sure your neighbor’s cousin will do it for a 6-pack. But don’t cry to me when I say no. That’s life.

Feature requests are fine, but when they get to the point of insulting the company and whining about who “deserves” something because of being a “loyal” customer, get a life. You have to plan your business based on what’s best for the business and the majority of customers, and that will always mean some people will be unhappy. It’s just a fact of life.

The good news is they can take their business elsewhere… they’re free to do whatever they want with their money.

Mario Parise 07 Mar 06

I’m 100% with Rajan on this one. While our job is not to do everything everyone wants or maybe even needs, we have to learn to strike a balance with not excluding people either. Fat people aren’t cool, and it’s their fault their fat, isn’t it? so fuck em! (Yes, I’m sarcastic here)

It’s not surprising though how easilly 37signals can just ignore people’s needs. After all, last I checked they had no problem with all their Ruby on Rails apps being inaccessible (or has this changed?). But hey, they’re catering to a specific market right? One that doesn’t include blind people, or people on older computers. So what?

It seems only a year ago the web, including this blog, were all about accessibility and web standards. But AJAX is too damn cool to be slowed down. Let the disabled figure it out. Not our problem.

And that’s exactly what’s going on with the knitting thing. Why should we design for fat people? Skinny people did all the hard work of staying skinny, so they don’t need to tweak their designs. Not our fault fat people are fat. Let them figure it out for themselves.

And those allergic people! Oh they’re soooo demanding… What with thinking they’d like more than 3 novelty choices in yarn… who do they think they are?

We can take this pretty far. Like, how dare those chinese want (gasp!) chinese domain names. Too fucking bad. Let em start their own version of ICANN. Learn to speak american ya fucking commies!

The same goes to all those software translations. Why does Ubuntu have to be available in so many languages? It’s darn right retarded. Conformity is a good thing.

Why should grocery stores carry organic food? Or vegetarian options? Learn to eat genetically modified and chemical-filled meat like the rest of us, ya pinko vegan scum!

….Have I made my point yet?

Dan Boland 07 Mar 06

I�m really appalled by the anti-fat people comments.

As am I, but I’m not surprised. I’d say that fat people (particularly fat women) are in second place behind blacks in the “Group that Gets Treated Like Shit” contest.

By the way, Matt, I asked my wife, who is an avid knitter, about the worsted weight wool yarn issue, and she said she wouldn’t want to use any of those options either. It’s not that the person wasn’t listening, it’s that those options aren’t good options. Come on, haven’t you talked to someone who gave you what was technically the right answer, but for the intended purposes of the question totally the wrong answer?

Sam Stephenson 07 Mar 06

Audrey, we have programmers tell us all the time — right here on SvN — that adding this feature or that to one of our products “should be trivial.” They’re almost always wrong.

I’m sure as a knitting designer you have a pretty good idea of how much work is involved in resizing a pattern. But I don’t think that knowledge puts you in a position to make a decision for anyone else. There’s always hidden costs involved.

Rabbit 07 Mar 06

Mario Parise’s talking like an idealist now. Welcome to the club. (Yes, an idealist who just moments ago made a horrible post about fat people.)

Mario Parise said: It�s not surprising though how easilly 37signals can just ignore people�s needs.

I realize that statement is sarcastic. I *believe* what you’re saying is that you ARE surprised; maybe even upset.

I’m not going to defend what I said earlier, I don’t feel I need to, but I will address why I sound so angry.

It’s attitudes like Mario’s that, if applied vigilently and strongly enough in politics, family and community the world might actually suck less.

But instead of expending energy in areas that really matter, we choose (myself included) to talk about clothing for fat people. That’s why I said what I said. Wake up to the realization we are all contributors to the problems we profess to hate.

Ever cursed under your breath about a bad driver? Be honest and ask yourself if you’ve ever pulled a similar stunt? Ever? That’s what I thought. Get over yourself. The life we’re designing for ourselves is a joke.

Audrey 07 Mar 06

Sam, isn’t the standard response to that “show me the code”?

You’ve got a separate issue when the primary reason a feature is turned down is (conscious or unconcious) bias against the requestor, which is what generally seems to be the case with this clothing size issue. Paul’s remarks above are spot-on.

Ryan Ripley 07 Mar 06

Welcome to the age of entitlement… Nothing earned, nothing valued, just owed…

I was recently bitten by the “we are not going to implement that feature” response. My bank and 37s payment processor do not get along… So I asked for an alternate way to pay… I got a “no”. And you know what… I was not upset. I got an honest answer to an honest request.

It boils down to a company keeping their eye on the prize. I respect that, and think it’s the right way to go. Their decision worked I in my case anyways… I simply dusted off a credit card and went ahead and bought the book… It was not my prefered way to do it, but you know what, it’s not about me…

Now, every complainer out there repeat after me… “It’s not about me…”

:-)

—Ryan

Tony 07 Mar 06

[i]some people expect you to produce what they want and at the price they�re willing to pay[/i]

That, actually, is a pretty good definition of a customer. People will buy from companies that produce what they want and at the price they�re willing to pay. You are just not willing to supply what this person wants at the price they are willing to pay. They aren’t your customer.

Fundamental supply and demand economics.

Matt Todd 07 Mar 06

I think that the availability of an API will rectify a lot of these quibbles when businesses or people begin to roll their own versions suited specifically to their needs. This is an excellent move, folks.

Also, an interesting point was raised stating by Don Wilson when he said: “I think the reason why you get so many people frustrated with the business plan of not accepting all requests/customers is that you guys don�t always fully explain this.” I think he’s right: it’s frustrating for the developers to (in a seemingly flippant way) disregard your suggestion. I know you don’t simply swat them away, and fully consider them, but we don’t always get an explanation, and that bugs us.

And it may be that the request has already been considered and rejected, but it’s even more exasperating for someone to say “we’ve heard that before and we said no then, so we’ll say no now as well.” I know that I battled with that with the PHP folks about many things. I think, “hey, what’s the big deal… at least give it another chance. Obviously if it’s been broached before, it’s a somewhat popular request.”

So, maybe as a way to quell to the aggravation, you could give us a little more detail on why the feature or the request will not be implemented. For all of the time you spend listening to us rant about how close-minded you guys seem to be sometimes, you should have at least that much time to tell us why you said no. No?

“I�m responsive, I�m courteous, I�m diligent, but I�m no one�s bitch.” Brad, that was awesome.

M.T.

JF 07 Mar 06

So, maybe as a way to quell to the aggravation, you could give us a little more detail on why the feature or the request will not be implemented. For all of the time you spend listening to us rant about how close-minded you guys seem to be sometimes, you should have at least that much time to tell us why you said no. No?

Matt we get hundreds of requests from people — probably well over 1000 in total since we launched Basecamp in Feb 2004. If we had to explain in detail why yes or why not to each of them we’d never have been able to release 5 products, Ruby on Rails, and a book in only 2 years.

And one thing we’ve learned is this: It’s almost never a simple explanation. Check the Basecamp forums and you’ll see. We explain, someone complains about the explanation. We clarify, someone clarifies their complaint. It’s never ending.

Debate is good, but we can’t debate the pros/cons for every decision we make. That’s an unreasonable request of any company.

We’re busy working on stuff so you can have a better product. Endless justification will only get everyone one place: nowhere.

Anonymous Coward 07 Mar 06

OMG! Are you serious? You want 37signals to have to justify every action, every yes, and every no? That’s beyond unreasonable.

Get over it. You don’t deserve an explanation for everything you ask for. They said they listen and I don’t see any evidence that they don’t. Basecamp and Backpack have improved considerably since they launched.

Demanding a reason is unreasonable.

John Beaty 07 Mar 06

OK, my 2 c ents about the knitting patterns for large people (BTW, try finding ONE pattern for a XXXL male sweater. Not Unisex. Good luck!)

I own a yarn shop, sell yarn and design and update patterns for the general public. So this is from the horse’s mouth, if you agree, or the other end if you don’t.

We look to carry patterns to fit every one of the multitude of people who wander into my shop. But there is a physical limit to this, as well as a business limit (how many patterns can you restock in a day, with the current staff at the current price.) EVERY day people (not just women) ask us for very specific patterns. Not just “extra-large”, which the woman complaining about the magazines implies, but “xxl, with a small arm and enough waist, a crew-neck and in a choice of yarns, for $2.50” which is an entirely different thing. And a return privilege if she decides she doesn’t like it in a couple of weeks.

The customer always has a point, but often that point is “I’m special, cater to me.” And neither Vogue, IK, nor the bulk of pattern designers can do this. And there is a very good reason for it: It is very different to design a sweater for a size 10-18, than 20 on up. If you go look at people, you’ll notice that from about a size 10 to about a size 18 , they are simply bigger. NOT Exactly at all, but close enough that you can scale up the pattern. So you write ONE pattern and many people can use it, so they all buy it. Below a 10 and above a 20, (and below a 32R and above a 48R for men) the close enough doesn’t work. A XXL and a XXXL are fundamentaly different in CUT, and therefore are significantly more expensive to design, because only ONE size buys it and they want it at the same price. Plus, even with the enlargeing of America (and I am a XXX male, so back down) there are still many, many more people at the large to extra-large, than above.

We try, but we have had people accuse us of size-bigotry (which if you could see me is a joke) becuase I refuse to drop everything and give them what they want, RIGHT NOW. Vogue, IK and the rest do have several patterns in 2X sizes in every issue, but not every pattern will work in those sizes. We try to help, but it boils down to, it’s not cost-effective to rewrite every pattern (or even very many of them), by which I mean, if I cater to you, I may miss out on 10 others who just want to buy the pattern.

Feel free to email me if you want to talk about this further.

John

RS 07 Mar 06

Thanks John for the insider insight.

Knit2Fit 07 Mar 06

“ignoring people’s needs”??
Of course people need various sizes(/features), but providing all possibilities in one pattern(/app) would make the product so unwieldy that no one could use it.
So I see three needs:
1. the basic product / service / design
- whether mainstream or niche market, it has a core identity
2. acceptance that customization is an additional service
- if it’s been included, there is a price increase that reflects the cost
3. the resources to achieve the customization
- this could be learning how to do it yourself, hiring out the work, collaboration, compromise, trade…

If the consumer attitude of entitlement is replaced with one of empowerment, the products that are flexible, accessible, and foster a support community will win - as will the customer who now has exactly what they need.

Dear knitting magazine: Please stop printing more than one or two sizes for each pattern so that you have space in your magazine for more designs and articles about custom alterations.

Right now, that would probably put them out of business - but what about in the future? And how do we get there if not for companies and products breaking trails and demonstrating to consumers that they will benefit from this model?

Brenda 07 Mar 06

What’s the point of this post… that customers are demanding? And self-centered? And irrational? Is this a new concept for 37 signals? Um… welcome to the business world.

I applaud your implied desire to accommodate all customer requests, thereby being shocked that not all requests are reasonable or actionable (this is a predominantly male tendency, btw, wanting to take action on requests and feeling guilty when you can’t). But being in the business you’re in, shouldn’t you be adept at extracting the opportunities for value-adds in customer feedback and ignoring the rest?

If someone asks a company to make non-wool worsted weight yarn, she a) wants to buy stuff from that company, probably because she has bought from them before and likes their product (read: valuable repeat customer), b) can’t find the non-wool worsted on their site/catalog (read: need to improve usability of the catalog), or c) doesn’t like the yarns they’re offering (read: need to find out why she likes some of our yarns but not these).

Being a part of the knitting community, I have to say you picked some low-hanging flame fruit to make fun of. Knitlist is easy pickins for blog fodder. Not really impressed.

jeff 07 Mar 06

Wow, who would have thought that a piece on knitting would have generated such heated response? Fat comments aside, I’m intrigued at the philosophical divide demonstrated here.

The 37s basic philosophy is that they build a product as stripped down as they can. They think it’s great. They think that doing so allows them to move more quickly, and in an 80-20 sort of way, maximize their ROI. They’re probably right.

And they’re clearly compelling. I’ve got at least one of everything they’ve ever done (except the book, so far), as have many other people. I, and most of you, I expect, resonate with their keep-it-simple philosophy.

But there’s a portion of us (meaning, everyone who is not 37s) who are compelled but not satisfied. They like the idea, but it doesn’t work for them. They have two choices: go elsewhere or ask 37s to change. I would guess that the vast majority of those who ask do so politely, thoughtfully, and sympathetically.

The problem comes (problem being perhaps the wrong word) for those who see a 37s app as a good solution, but one that won’t work for them because of limitation X. Sure, they’re free to go elsewhere like… um… where do they go? The alternatives suck.

So if I were a state organization that wanted to use basecamp but couldn’t because 37s won’t change the pricing for them, what do they do? Use something that’s less good than a 37s app. It will be harder to use, or uglier, or missing features. And because of something as “trivial” as billing processes. Yeah, I’d be pissed: I’m stuck dealing with a crappier solution.

A better solution, of course, would be for the upset customer to try to deal more kindly with the party in power (in this case, 37s) and not piss them off. That seems like a basic principle of interpersonal relations, but, of course, this is the internet where it’s easy to be a jerk.

Matt Todd 07 Mar 06

I really didn’t mean that you should justify every single ‘yes’ or ‘no’. Far from it, really, because you’re absolutely right: you would not have been able to produce what you did if you had.

I guess I meant to say that you could (not should) give some reasoning for rejecting more popular requests. Also, try to at least appear like you’ll reconsider even if you have heard and rejected the same request before. Seriously, it’s part of a psychological thing as well: being even a little abrasive isn’t fun for anybody, and sometimes the 37s way or responses can be conceived that way.

Again, my focus wasn’t on reasoning for every single rejection but on being a little more civil about it.

M.T.

jeff 07 Mar 06

On a side note, I think it’s cool both that Tarasine is involved in 37signals even though she’s not officially part of the crew, as well as that the other people in the company would pay attention to her.

Anonymous Coward 07 Mar 06

Again, my focus wasn�t on reasoning for every single rejection but on being a little more civil about it.

it seems like the people who aren’t being civil are the customers, not 37s. 37s aren’t the demanding ones.

Matt Todd 07 Mar 06

Jeff, you’re right: this basic principle of interpersonal relations seems to have been forgotten by, frankly, most of us inside and outside of 37s. I apologize if anything I said sounded like I was being a jerk: I sincerely never meant it to be. With that said, I still stand by what I said before in that I think things could be done with a bit more civility: even if the customer isn’t exactly right, or even dead wrong, it doesn’t mean you should immediately dismiss them. It’s not necessarily a ‘do unto others’ thing, really: more like a ‘be nice to others, even if they suck.’

M.T.

(Sorry for the double post.)

JF 07 Mar 06

it doesn�t mean you should immediately dismiss them

No one is dismissed. Everyone is listened to and everything is considered (I feel like a broken record saying this again and again). We don’t act immediately on anything anyone says. We don’t act immediately on our own ideas. We let things soak in. We gather feedback over longer periods of time to determine if something is a fad or a trend. We also want to make sure we don’t rush something. Things change too so maybe what people wanted this week isn’t what they want next seek. We don’t confuse enthusiasm with priority.

So again, everyone is listened to and everyone is considered. If we didn’t give a damn about our customers we wouldn’t have so many open forums for them to communicate. And we certainly wouldn’t be replying to everyone as quickly as we do.

Scott Meinzer 07 Mar 06

I would say if nothing this post has shed light on the amazing business opportunity that is plus sized knitting patterns.

Ryan Ripley 07 Mar 06

The crazy part is that the conversation is taking place on a design firms blog… I bet the knitting sites would love this kind of traffic… Maybe one would want to sign up for the deck… ;-)

—Ryan

indi 07 Mar 06

Scott, you read my mind, except that I was going to say it is an incredible opportunity for someone to come up with software that will scale patterns intelligently based on specific measurements … hmmm ….

Brandon Walsh 07 Mar 06

Well, this is quite an argument. I think what it really comes down to is this: Do businesses have obligations to their customers? In some cases they clearly do. Warranties are one example of a necessary obligation. If a company’s product doesn’t do what it is supposed to do, the company has a responsibility to fix it, because the customer has paid for something and deserves to get what they paid for.

But is a company obligated to respond to the requests of its customers (existing or potential)? Not really. As has been said previously, in a free market economy businesses are free to do what will earn them money. If a business feels that catering to certain customers is not in their economic interest, they don’t have to. This may seem harsh, but that’s life. You can’t mandate that people act upon your suggestions.

If you are looking for a product that doesn’t yet exist, don’t whine to some company about it. Go make it yourself! If you really believe that your idea is worth acting upon, do it yourself and get rich. If you are too lazy to do this, that’s your own problem. No one is directly responsible for your happiness but you.

*** Of course, in some cases my argument does not apply. Disabled people who cannot simply solve their own problems should be assisted as much as possible. However, obesity is not a disability. Overweight people are at least partially responsible for their condition. It is clearly possible to lose weight (just watch the show The Biggest Loser). It may be hard work, but it’s possible. If you are too lazy to follow through with your exercise and dieting plans, that is no one’s fault but your own. Don’t expect others to accomodate your personal “uniqueness”.

Andrew 07 Mar 06

I just thought of some amazing synergies that could exist between fashion designers and dieting products.

Aaron Blohowiak 07 Mar 06

Focus. Alignment.

Its like writing to Porche and asking for a bondo minivan.

Different Markets.

Long Time Listener - Repeat Caller 07 Mar 06

It seems very alienating to me that posts by the 37S team about how what customers want is not in the company’s business happens on such a regular basis. Constantly bringing up a “sore point” is only pissing off people even further.

Yes, 37S makes some great products. Do I pay for them? Well, not Campfire, but I do for BC and BP. And I love them. There are some features I would love to have - especially in BP - but I learned, unfortunately, quite a while ago that I may as well yell down a dry well than make an official request, as it will more than likely net the same result. Sure, Jason and others will say something to the effect of “Just because we don’t respond to everything doesn’t mean we don’t listen” doesn’t wash fully. They may HEAR the requests, but something tells me that they don’t always truly LISTEN. Because more than seeing changes get made, I see someone from 37S either complaining about it here or telling people off in the forums.

I am not an idiot. I know they do a lot that we don’t know about, and they do get around to putting out stuff. For example, they finally implemented multiple lists per page after constant nagging from everyone - after they said they had “no intent to implement” that feature. But here are many others, not the least of which is a calendar for BP, which I wonder if it will ever see the light of day.

What I think 37S needs to learn is it’s not their arrogant attitude that brings in customers… it’s their products. The reason why people give 37S their money is because they offer services which people cannot find elsewhere. So the whole “if you don’t like it, go somewhere else” motif gets really tiring. There is no place else to go. And that’s why I make suggestions and requests for change. 37S is 80% of the way there in something like BP for me, while their competitors are only 50%. So logically, why should I ask someone to do 50% of the work, when there is someone who would only have to do 20% to be at the point where I need it to be, especially when they are already taking money from me every month?

But what i find most ironic about all of this is that it doesn’t take much digging to find posts by Jason and others at 37S where they complain about the service or design of something else. “This new mobile phone has buttons I don’t like.” This sign has a font which is hard to read.” “I don’t like the way this company does things.” Well, if you don’t like it, then choose something else. Oh wait… You don’t always have that option, and that’s why you make comments hoping that someone will listen and make a change. Well, that’s what we’re doing. (True, not everyone, but lumping the idiots who ask for tacos at a burger joint with the people who ask for mayo on a burger which doesn’t ordinarily have it is not exactly fair, either.)

I hope Jason’s phone company or Kinko’s or whoever pisses him off this week starts a blog and says “We’re AT&T / Kinko’s. If you don’t like the way we run our business, then “tough tittie” said the kitty, go somewhere else. Oh wait… We’re the only ones who come close to fitting your needs so you can’t. Sucks to be you. But go ahead and keep emailing us and posting on our forums which we set up for customer response… We like more fodder for our incessant bitch sessions about why we don’t think we should care about what our PAYING CUSTOMERS want and should only provide services in the way WE want.”

I would so pay money to see that.

On second thought, I see enough of that here. Nevermind.

Adam A 08 Mar 06

If 90% of your features were cutomer requested, wouldn’t that imply that you weren’t in tune with what your customers wanted when you released the app?

I understand getting the app out as soon as possible, but it would seem that not implementing features that are important to your customers right off the bat would be a good way to lose customers to the competition. (not every feature of course).

Past/Loyal cutomers to your business may be willing to wait around for important features, but I would think that the majority would get on Google, and look for the one that offered what they needed then.

When 37s plans an app, do you design it based on what you think your potential customer wants, or do you survey, interview, etc?

Obviously, it is all about finding the balance between adding features and getting the app out there as soon as possible.

Adam Groves 08 Mar 06

As far as I can gather, this blog serves both customers for 37s’ products and designers/programmers/entrepeneurs. I belong to the latter category and I just wanted to say that I really appreciate 37s’ openness with regards to how they run their business and I’m sure that the vast majority of your customers appreciate that openness too.

With regards to people requesting extra features etc. I have a simple solution. Send them the source code so they can weigh up the feasability for themselves ;)

Kevin 08 Mar 06

…trying to chase the wrong customers …

Wow

Matt Todd 08 Mar 06

JF ��it just feels like you guys immediately dismiss suggestions when you say things like “that won’t be implemented” and “that’ll never happen” (in more or less words).

If you’re letting it soak in, then tell the requester. Say something like, “as of right now, that’s not something that we’ll be implementing soon, but we’ll take it into consideration. Right now, we’re at the stage of seeing whether this request is part of a fad or a genuine need.” Of course, only say that if it’s true.

To your credit, I must say that I am genuinely impressed with how responsive you guys are to these (sometimes belligerant) comments and complaints. Well done, 37s. Thanks for your excellent work, even if we do think that you don’t always hit the mark.

M.T.

Paul 08 Mar 06

Brandon: . If you are too lazy to follow through with your exercise and dieting plans, that is no one�s fault but your own.

Not all fat people are lazy. Not all fat people don’t exercise. And being fat is not a matter of blame or fault.

Don�t expect others to accomodate [sic] your personal �uniqueness�.

This is a stunning display of carelessness. Absolutely stunning.

A Different Long Time Listener - Repeat Caller 08 Mar 06

Are the complainers here the same ones that hang out on the Apple message boards screaming and yelling that Apple doesn’t add FM radio, voice recording, a bigger screen, more hard drive space, and wi-fi and bluetooth to the iPod all while making it smaller and cheaper? I bet that’s you.

So the whole �if you don�t like it, go somewhere else� motif gets really tiring. There is no place else to go.

No other place to go? Ever heard of a Google search for project management software? There are hundreds of choices. Pick a few and try them and I bet you’re back at Basecamp. There’s a reason why the others suck and it has a lot to do with them trying to do too much stuff. Find out for yourself though.

So logically, why should I ask someone to do 50% of the work, when there is someone who would only have to do 20% to be at the point where I need it to be, especially when they are already taking money from me every month?

“I”. You are one of their customers, not their only customer. Realize that and you’ll be better off.

If 37signals did the last 20% for everyone’s own individual needs, you’d have a bloat monster on your hands and you’ be bitching about how hard it is to use and how crappy the UI is and how the usability sucks.

And “taking money from you?” No one is taking anything from you. YOU ARE PAYING THEM. They aren’t taking, you are paying. If you don’t want to pay, quit, but don’t accuse 37signals of TAKING anything from you.

ML 08 Mar 06

What I think 37S needs to learn is it�s not their arrogant attitude that brings in customers� it�s their products. The reason why people give 37S their money is because they offer services which people cannot find elsewhere. So the whole �if you don�t like it, go somewhere else� motif gets really tiring. There is no place else to go.

We realize our customers show up for our products and not our “attitude.” We understand our tone of voice may not always be to your liking but we hope you also understand that we’re out here on the front lines *constantly* trying to explain what we do and why we do it.

A lot of what you consider attitude comes in the form of us actually responding to customers (when most other companies simply ignore them) and trying to share our ideas and methodologies with others so they can learn from our experiences (which most other companies never do).

We’re sorry you feel “the whole ‘if you don�t like it, go somewhere else’ motif gets really tiring.” But really, we think this is why our products succeed. When it comes to feature requests, the customer is not always right. If we added every single thing our customers requested, no one would want our products. The #1 request we get on customer surveys is to keep Basecamp simple. That’s why we start with no and make a feature prove its necessity before adding it. What you call a “sore point” is actually at the heart of how we do business (the Getting Real book explains all this if you’re actually curious to learn more about why we do what we do).

If your problem with us is merely one of tone, we’re open to suggestions on how you’d prefer we explain ourselves.

Anonymous Coward 08 Mar 06

When you buy a 37signals product you’re paying for less features. (It says so right on the 37signals home page.)

You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Kathleen Fasanella 08 Mar 06

First, I am a former BBW (I lost 150lbs, 20 years ago) so I don’t hate fat people as one commentor suggested. Secondly, I work in apparel manufacturing. What none of you (other than John Beaty above) seem to realize is that as people gain weight, the disparities in their body shaping is magnified to the extent that you cannot just grade a pattern larger to fit them. Size scales are exponential and the grades get morphed absurdly in the larger sizes. You have to start with a BBW body first and then grade that. This means you have to design an entirely new product line, you can’t “borrow” past product development in which to do it. It’s like being an automotive manufacturer who wants to add trucks to the line. It’s not an option for many manufacturers to do this. Consider this:

Over 60% of women’s clothing produced in the US is made by small companies, companies with fewer than 20 employees. These companies do not have the financial resources to develop an entirely new product line. Still worse, unless they have a solid range of BBW fit models to draw from, they don’t even know what measures constitute the various sizes. Now, they could buy a data set from TC2 (the sizing USA study) but the costs are prohibitive. The data set costs $20,000! Considering that tax payers subsidized this study, I think this is an outrage and little will happen in the near future to change this.

It is very costly to develop a product line, particularly with the parameters dictated by the specialized fitting needs of the customer. In most markets, you just pass those costs onto consumers. Unfortunately, most BBW are in the lower economic strata and don’t have the resources. I’ve been working in manufacturing for 27 years and I can tell you, over and over again, BBW consumers have less money and as an aggregate, don’t have the resources to subsidize the costs of truly well fitted apparel. They want better clothes than they have now, they just don’t want to pay any more for it than they’re paying now. All the manufacturers on my site are similarly embroiled in this debate and they couldn’t agree more. Market choices in BBW apparel will continue to be limited until their disposable income increases.

I could write an entire book just on the topic of sizing. The issue is far more complex than most consumers imagine. Manufacturers are not stupid; there are factors involved of which most consumers remain (blissfully) unaware. Still, in summary, I don’t feel that anyone should be compelled to enter a market. Just because one has the capacity to do it doesn’t mean one should be compelled to do it. BBW isn’t my market, why should I be compelled to enter it?

Bill Bradford 08 Mar 06

Doesn’t this just boil down to “Companies can’t please all of their customers all the time” and “Sometimes, picky and demanding customers don’t understand economics or supply and demand”?

(on a side note, I’m a big guy, I buy clothes at the big guy store, and I’m happy for the selection that I get.. I get annoyed when a 3X in one brand isnt the same as a 3X in another, but I don’t start yelling at the clerk about it..)

Matt Powell 08 Mar 06

It makes me sad that we can’t seem to have a spirited debate without saying intentionally hurtful things. What is gained with comments like the Shammu comment above? There are a ton of interesting perspectives being brought up on all sides of this issue and I just can’t understand why people are intentionally rude as a part of the conversation.

Be provocative. Be witty. Dont’ be jerk.

jeff 08 Mar 06

I am reminded by a comment a student made to me a couple of years ago. She sent me an email at about midnight asking a question: she was confused about an assignment. I replied with clarification. A few minutes later, she emailed again, with another question, and again, I replied with the answer.

When she emailed me again, moments after I’d sent my response, she said, “I’m sorry if I’m being annoying, but I am paying you, after all.” Her implication was that because she pays tuition that I should be at her beck and call. When she wants an answer, she’d better get it, even if she is being annoying.

But it doesn’t work that way. Yes, she does pay tuition, and yes, I get paid (partially) from the bucket of tuition money. But I am not paid to be a 24-hour constant-loop of answers. I am not an encyclopedia. I was being polite because, well, I don’t know why. But I was being polite.

The fact is I am obligated to provide certain services for my students. I will be in class, prepared. I will be in my office during my office hours. I will grade their papers and assignments. But I am not obligated to repeat a lecture for a student who did not come to class, nor to provide assignment help to students who do not do their homework. Because I care about my student’s success, I do try to help wherever I can. But sometimes the best lesson I can teach is that the world will not always swing around to your whims.

I see 37s (and all retailers) as a somewhat similar situation. They are paid for certain things: functionality and features in this case. People pay for them, and they should get what they pay for. Additional features are niceties, but if the software was good enough to purchase in the first place (it was worth what was paid), then the new features are just icing.

Of course, the analogy falls apart. I do not need to grow my customer base, I do not need to keep them coming back. And I have a (as I see it) moral obligation to help train my students. 37s shouldn’t be teaching me anything, but rather working to ensure that I’m *happy* sending them my money every month. Thus they cannot afford to piss their customers off, and must walk a very thin line between beligerence and exploitation. Based on the comments of the customers here, I’d say that 37s is unique in that they tend to err on the side of beligerence. Yes, they do listen, but customers sometimes feel that they’re not central in the process. Customers feel that JF is sometimes a little bitter. Customers notice that 37s is a somewhat arrogant little company.

Is it any worse to be arrogant than to be indulgent? I don’t think so. For every Nordstrom there’s a snooty designer shop who doesn’t like your kind anyway. They both make money and serve their customers. We (customers of 37s) need to reognize that the tight-knit, agile, and best-in-breed attitude that makes 37s unique also makes them just like that snooty, high-end, we-don’t-DO-mass-production-dahling retailer.

Anonymous Coward 08 Mar 06

37s is a somewhat arrogant little company

Tossing the word “arrogant” around has to stop. There is nothing arrogant about saying no. There is nothing arrogant about saying x y and z don’t fit our product but a b and c do. That is not arrogance.

Arrogance is saying “I’m the only person in the world and whatever I demand you must do.” That is arrogant and that seems to be what a lot of people are saying here and elsewhere. CATER TO MY FEATURE REQUESTS OR ELSE!

Willy Wonka 08 Mar 06

I’m sorry I don’t see how 37Signals explaining *THEIR* web philosophy and defending it with a book (filled with quotes from successful companies) and a blog to further expand their findings makes them arrogant.

Arrogant means “Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance..” & “Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one’s superiority toward others: an arrogant contempt for the weak”. When have they done either of the above? The give credit when it’s due and mention when people make silly mistakes. Personally I say take the good from good examples and bad exmaples (by not making mistakes).

I’ve half the book and read the blog daily (somedays hourly), and 37 has NEVER said IGNORE the user. It’s clear that that they listen to the user, but their take is to do it in moderation. This principle is true in every organization (from the big wigs to start-ups). If 500 people ask Apple to have their ipod check e-mail - it doesn’t mean they should. Heck their customer’s once said that an MP3 player is a bad idea.

Like Matt L. said, If you don’t like it - then don’t read. Their are thousands of books out there that talk about application design and usability. If you don’t like to explore other ideas and may even change the way you think, stay in your box.

Sebasti�n 08 Mar 06

hmmm… this is too much!

I’m argentinian, and i want all the 37signal’s in spanish version! But they don’t do it.

Are they arrogant because of that?

Please, close the comments in this blog and stop all this absurd discusions.

Tim Almond 09 Mar 06

Do some of these complainers not work in the real world?

How many people don’t, in their everyday lives observe that fixed costs of retooling, marketing and process change are the big costs. People have had photocopiers, PCs and the like for a long time now.

If you make a piece of software, it has a huge upfront cost. Each copy after you cover the costs of development is nearly pure profit. It seems to me that knitting patterns are the same.

Dave P 09 Mar 06

What a crazy thread.

It honestly amazes me that a simple application of pure free market economics drives people to such a frenzy. I mean really, people get a grip.

37signals is doing a very simple thing: They’re betting that they understand a significant market set well enough to make a profit satisfying a need. Period. Full Stop.

I think it’s rather forward thinking to be able to say “no” to your customers. Sure they may leave, but if - as a business - you’re confident in what you think of your core market, it won’t matter. Not all paying customers are the ones you are interested in courting, just as not all hot girls are the ones you are interested in marrying. It’s an unachievable goal.

When you request a feature or ask for an XL pattern, what is it that you think you’re doing exactly? You’re getting someone else to solve your problem in exchange for cash. That’s in addition to current services they provide. You’d be right pissed if 37signals asked you to pay more for this service wouldn’t you? So why should you assume they will, even if you’re in the majority?

All is not lost: each denial of service to your need creates a market - you. Think money can be made servicing your need? Launch your own product. If you’re right, you’ll do ok. If you’re truly part of “the majority” you’ll do better than 37signals. Not bad.

If you’re not willing to do that, ask this question: WHY THE HELL SHOULD THEY?

RS 09 Mar 06

Thanks Dave.

Deirdre Saoirse Moen 10 Mar 06

As a long-time knitter, I’ve seen this exact flame war. In fact, I can’t make anything that doesn’t require alteration either, but I never whined about it, I just learned to make alterations (the most common alteration I make, other than size, is for a set-in sleeve rather than a flat-cap sleeve, because I consider the latter unflattering).

The primary purpose of a knitting pattern in a magazine is to sell that company’s yarn (and create demand for new yarns). Further, they need to make them in sizes that fit most customers. Some yarns (Berroco Glace comes to mind) really aren’t suitable for plus-size garments due to how they drape.

So, in other words, it’s a big ad for a specific yarn. If you don’t like wool yarns, knit stuff mostly in spring and summer magazines, which are mostly cotton. Converting a wool pattern to a cotton pattern typically doesn’t work well because they have completely different properties (cotton stretching out of shape being one of the issues). In some cases, this won’t matter. In many, it will.

And, as a total aside: most people who think they’re allergic to wool, aren’t. I’m one of those. I can knit with most wools after they’re washed and dried to remove sizing and mothproofing agents that I am allergic to.

So, in this case, it’s not about choice so much as it is about a primary misunderstanding of what the patterns in a knitting magazine are all about. They’re designed to be simple enough to make (so that people will feel good about themselves) and fit most of their market and sell yarn from their advertisers.

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Nokia 3300 - US$85
Nokia 3310— US$25
Nokia 3315— US$29
Nokia 3330— US$30
Nokia 3350— US$35
Nokia 3410— US$35
Nokia 3510— US$40
Nokia 3510i— US$45
Nokia 3530— US$50
Nokia 3595— US$45
Nokia 3610— US$55
Nokia 3650— US$185
Nokia 3660— US$195
Nokia 5100— US$65
Nokia 5140— US$110
Nokia 5210— US$40
Nokia 5510— US$105
Nokia 5550— US$50
Nokia 5170iR— US$39
Nokia 6020— US$130
Nokia 6670— US$105
Nokia 6630— US$175
Nokia 6100— US$80
Nokia 6108— US$90
Nokia 6220— US$105
Nokia 6230— US$110
Nokia 6260— US$135
Nokia 6310— US$69
Nokia 6310i— US$70
Nokia 6500— US$60
Nokia 6510— US$60
Nokia 6600— US$135
Nokia 6610— US$80
Nokia 6630— US$175
Nokia 6170— US$145
Nokia 6650— US$82
Nokia 6800— US$105
Nokia 6820— US$110
Nokia 7200— US$185
Nokia 7210 Turquoise— US$100
Nokia 7230— US$120
Nokia 7250— US$120
Nokia 7250i— US$120
Nokia 7260— US$135
Nokia 7280— US$155
Nokia 7600— US$165
Nokia 7610— US$195
Nokia 7650— US$160
Nokia 8250— US$65
Nokia 8310— US$90
Nokia 8910 Titanium— US$160
Nokia 8910 Black— US$165
Nokia 8910i— US$185
Nokia 8890— US$115
Nokia 8850 Special Edition— US$105
Nokia 8850 Gold Edition— US$110
Nokia 8855— US$115
Nokia 9210 Communicator— US$195
Nokia 9210i Communicator— US$195
Nokia N-Gage— US$110
Nokia 9500 (communicator)— US$210
Sony Ericsson P800— US$155
Sony Ericsson P900— US$205
Sony Ericsson P910i— US$210
Sony Ericsson T20e— US$35
Sony Ericsson T20s— US$39
Sony Ericsson T28s— US$39
Sony Ericsson T28 World— US$45
Sony Ericsson T29s— US$49
Sony Ericsson T100— US$30
Sony Ericsson T105— US$35
Sony Ericsson T200— US$45
Sony Ericsson T230— US$55
Sony Ericsson T300— US$55
Sony Ericsson T310— US$50
Sony Ericsson T600— US$69
Sony Ericsson T610— US$130
Sony Ericsson T630— US$135
Sony Ericsson T68i— US$105
Sony Ericsson T68m— US$110
Sony Ericsson Z200— US$100
Sony Ericsson Z600— US$170
Sony CMD-J5— US$30
Sony CMD-Z7— US$35
Sony CMD-J7— US$40
Sony CMD-J6— US$40
Sony CMD-Z5— US$90
Sony CMD-MZ5— US$155
Sony Ericsson R520m— US$100
Sony Ericsson R380 World— US$90
Sony Ericsson R380s— US$105
Sony Ericsson R600— US$35
Sony Ericsson S700— US$175
Sony Ericsson K500i— US$180
Sony Ericsson K700i— US$189
Samsung SGH A200— US$50
Samsung SGH A300— US$40
Samsung SGH A500— US$70
Samsung SGH A800— US$70
Samsung SGH C100— US$85
Samsung SGH E400— US$125
Samsung SGH E600— US$129
Samsung SGH E700— US$130
Samsung SGH E715— US$155
Samsung SGH-E810— US$140
Samsung SGH-E820— US$150
Samsung SGH-E800— US$155
Samsung SGH-E850— US$140
Samsung SGH D410— US$150
Samsung SGH D500— US$155
Samsung SGH P400— US$135
Samsung SGH P510— US$139
Samsung SGH N188— US$110
Samsung SGH N288— US$60
Samsung SGH N500— US$60
Samsung SGH N620— US$60
Samsung SGH M100— US$45
Samsung SGH P400— US$140
Samsung SGH P410— US$145
Samsung SGH P500— US$155
Samsung SGH Q105— US$40
Samsung SGH Q300—- US$70
Samsung SGH R220— US$30
Samsung SGH R225— US$25
Samsung SGH S100— US$90
Samsung SGH S200— US$100
Samsung SGH S300— US$105
Samsung SGH S307— US$130
Samsung SGH S500— US$109
Samsung SGH T100— US$100
samsung SGH S105— US$35
Samsung SGH T200— US$125
Samsung SGH T400— US$60
Samsung SGH T500— US$90
Samsung SGH T700— US$99
Samsung SGH V200— US$105
Samsung SGH VM680— US$100
Samsung SGH X400— US$105
Samsung SGH X410— US$130
Samsung SGH X426— US$129
Samsung SGH-C200— US$125
Samsung SGH-X460— US$140
Samsung SGH-X450— US$130
Samsung SGH-X120— US$99
Samsung SGH X600— US$145
Samsung SGH-X610— US$140
Samsung SGH-Z105— US$120
Motorola A008— US$50
Motorola A388— US$70
Motorola A388c— US$120
Motorola A820— US$65
Motorola C330— US$20
Motorola C331— US$25
Motorola C332— US$30
Motorola C333— US$35
Motorola C350— US$69
Motorola E360— US$60
Motorola E365— US$110
Motorola E380— US$95
Motorola E398— US$125
Motorola MPX200— US$180
Motorola Accompli 008— US$49
Motorola Timeport 280— US$80
Motorola T190T— US$25
Motorola Talkabout 191— US$25
Motorola T720— US$65
Motorola T720i— US$85
Motorola V3Razor— US$145
Motorola V66— US$60
Motorola V60— US$70
Motorola V60i— US$75
Motorola V70— US$105
Motorola V80— US$115
Motorola V290— US$80
Motorola V750— US$125
Motorola V3688+— US$20
Motorola V8088— US$30
Motorola V525— US$139
Motorola V300— US$130
Motorola V400— US$125
Motorola V500— US$130
Motorola V600— US$140
Siemens A35— US$15
Siemens A40— US$19
Siemens A50— US$25
Siemens A52— US$29
Siemens A55— US$30
Siemens C45— US$30
Siemens C55— US$35
Siemens CL50— US$70
Siemens CL55— US$65
Siemens CT56— US$30
Siemens M50— US$35
Siemens M55— US$120
Siemens MC60— US$79
Siemens ME45— US$50
Siemens S45— US$60
Siemens SL42— US$65
Siemens SL45i— US$69
Siemens S55— US$85
Siemens SL55— US$125
Siemens SX45— US$155
Siemens SX1— US$180
Siemens Xelibri 1— US$60
Siemens Xelibri 2— US$70
Siemens Xelibri 3— US$110
Siemens Xelibri 4— US$80
Siemens Xelibri 5— US$65
Siemens Xelibri 6— US$85
Siemens Xelibri 7— US$85
Siemens Xelibri 8— US$95
Panasonic G50— US$80
Panasonic G51— US$95
Panasonic GD35— US$20
Panasonic GD52— US$25
Panasonic GD55— US$49
Panasonic GD67— US$39
Panasonic GD75— US$45
Panasonic GD87— US$125
Panasonic GD88— US$129
Panasonic GD90— US$30
Panasonic GD92— US$30
Panasonic GD93— US$20
Panasonic GD95— US$39
Panasonic X70— US$120
Panasonic X66— US$110
Panasonic X68— US$115
Panasonic A101— US$110
Panasonic A102— US$120
Alcatel OneTouch 301— US$20
Alcatel OneTouch 302— US$25
Alcatel OneTouch 303— US$30
Alcatel OneTouch 511— US$35
Alcatel OT525— US$39
Alcatel One Touch 501— US20
Alcatel One Touch 311— US$25
Alcatel One Touch 701— US$30
Alcatel One Touch 512— US$40
Alcatel One Touch 715— US$55
NEC N830— US$85
NEC N710— US$70
NEC C616— US$110
NEC N900— US$150
NEC N820— US$80
NEC N910— US$170
NEC N700— US$55
Sharp GX1— US$99
Sharp GX10— US$100
Sharp GX10i— US$110
Sharp GX15— US$110
Sharp GX20— US$125
Sharp GX30— US$135
Philips Fisio 120— US$25
Philips Fisio 311— US$30
Philips Fisio 620— US$35
Philips Fisio 825— US$35
Philips X�nium— US$45
Philips Fisio 820 + Kit Blue— US$49

Nextel i55sr— US$65
Nextel i2000plus— US$35
Nextel i58sr— US$30
Nextel i530— US$35
Nextel i205— US$20
Nextel i305— US$25
Nextel i35s— US$29
Nextel i88— US$30
Nextel i90— US$59
Nextel i95cl— US$70
Nextel i60c— US$40
Nextel 6510TM— US$110
Nextel i730— US$85
Nextel i733— US$95
Nextel i736— US$105
Nextel i830— US$115
Nextel i860— US$125
Nextel i930— US$140

LIST OF refurbished phones we have in stock
Nokia 1100— US$30
Nokia 2100— US$35
Nokia 2300— US$50
Nokia 3100— US$55
Nokia 3108— US$50
Nokia 3200— US$55
Nokia 3230— US$75
Nokia 3300 - US$65
Nokia 3310— US$20
Nokia 3315— US$22
Nokia 3330— US$22
Nokia 3350— US$23
Nokia 3410— US$28
Nokia 3510— US$30
Nokia 3510i— US$43
Nokia 3530— US$40
Nokia 3595— US$35
Nokia 3610— US$44
Nokia 3650— US$150
Nokia 3660— US$165
Nokia 5100— US$65
Nokia 5140— US$90
Nokia 5210— US$35
Nokia 5510— US$95
Nokia 5550— US$50
Nokia 5170iR— US$39
Nokia 6020— US$110
Nokia 6670— US$105
Nokia 6630— US$155
Nokia 6100— US$65
Nokia 6108— US$75
Nokia 6220— US$95
Nokia 6230— US$100
Nokia 6260— US$25
Nokia 6310— US$55
Nokia 6310i— US$60
Nokia 6500— US$45
Nokia 6510— US$55
Nokia 6600— US$115
Nokia 6610— US$70
Nokia 6630— US$145
Nokia 6170— US$145
Nokia 6650— US$70
Nokia 6800— US$95
Nokia 6820— US$100
Nokia 7200— US$175
Nokia 7210 Turquoise— US$80
Nokia 7230— US$100
Nokia 7250— US$95
Nokia 7250i— US$100
Nokia 7260— US$115
Nokia 7280— US$125
Nokia 7600— US$145
Nokia 7610— US$170
Nokia 7650— US$130
Nokia 8250— US$50
Nokia 8310— US$75
Nokia 8910 Titanium— US$140
Nokia 8910 Black— US$140
Nokia 8910i— US$175
Nokia 8890— US$110
Nokia 8850 Special Edition— US$95
Nokia 8850 Gold Edition— US$95
Nokia 8855— US$95
Nokia 9210 Communicator— US$120
Nokia 9210i Communicator— US$150
Nokia N-Gage— US$100
Nokia 9500 (communicator)— US$180


Sony Ericsson P800— US$140
Sony Ericsson P900— US$190
Sony Ericsson P910i— US$195
Sony Ericsson T20e— US$25
Sony Ericsson T20s— US$30
Sony Ericsson T28s— US$30
Sony Ericsson T28 World— US$35
Sony Ericsson T29s— US$35
Sony Ericsson T100— US$20
Sony Ericsson T105— US$25
Sony Ericsson T200— US$35
Sony Ericsson T230— US$35
Sony Ericsson T300— US$45
Sony Ericsson T310— US$40
Sony Ericsson T600— US$50
Sony Ericsson T610— US$120
Sony Ericsson T630— US$110
Sony Ericsson T68i— US$90
Sony Ericsson T68m— US$100
Sony Ericsson Z200— US$90
Sony Ericsson Z600— US$120
Sony CMD-J5— US$25
Sony CMD-Z7— US$25
Sony CMD-J7— US$35
Sony CMD-J6— US$30
Sony CMD-Z5— US$75
Sony CMD-MZ5— US$140
Sony Ericsson R520m— US$60
Sony Ericsson R380 World— US$75
Sony Ericsson R380s— US$95
Sony Ericsson R600— US$30
Sony Ericsson S700— US$150
Sony Ericsson K500i— US$155
Sony Ericsson K700i— US$155
SONY ERICSSON P910a $130USD
SONY ERICSSON P910i $120USD
SONY ERICSSON P900 $100USD
SONY ERICSSON K700i $85USD
SOMY ERICSSON W800i $220
PDA’s
HP IPaq Pocket PC H4150 ========= $190
Asus MyPal A716 ================= $175
HP IPaq Pocket PC H4350 ========= $185
Toshiba Pocket PC E405 ========== $120
Sony Clie PEG-TH55 ============== $155
Toshiba Pocket PC E800 ========== $220
PalmOne Zire 72================== $120
Palmonfiltered============== $90
Palmonfiltered============== $140
PalmOne Zire 31 =================$65
palm Treo 650=====================$240
play station 1……… $120
play station 2 ….$130
play station 3…..$150
x_box 360………$200
GARMIN 396……..$150
Game boy latext edition……$110
this games are brand new sealed in black company Box.
Apple 20 GB iPod …………………….45 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A ……40 USD
Apple 40 GB iPod photo………………..40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A ….40 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A……….60 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod photo ……………….55 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A……….50 USD
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player……40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…….45 USD
Apple 2 GB iPod Nano………………….50 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Nano………………….60 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe……………….110 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe……………….150 USD
Please feel free to contact us with your Quotation and Location.
Thanks.
=====
Mr. Kolly S. Bright.
sales Manager.

stevin 08 Sep 06

NEXTLEVEL TELECOM INC.
STREET:- 450 EKITI ROAD,
CITY:- EDO,
STATE:- BENIN,
COUNTRY:- NIGERIA.
ZIPCODE:- 23401.
TEL:- +2348027210292
EMAIL:- [email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

we have all kind of mobile phones for sale.we have all kind of Brand
new nokia, Brand new sony ericsson, samsung, motorola, nextel,qtek,
benq, os and all kind of mobile phones. our mobile phones are:-
chargers - usb data cables - holsters/belt clips - wireless
headsets(bluetooth) - leather and non-leather carrying cases -
batteries.ifyou are interested, forward your questions and enquires to
us via email with your order and shipping details. we give 1 year
warranty for every phone sold out to our costumers, our phones are
company class 1 tested and approved by global standard organization of
wireless industries, Brand new phones with complete accessories, extra
charger and battery.serious buyers should
1) Brand new (original manufacturer) box - no copies
2) Brand new gsm phones (this includes accessories, manuals,
softwareand boxes)
2) unlocked / sim free.
3) Brand new gsm phones (this includes accessories, manuals,
4) all material (software, manual) - car chargers - home
5) all phones have english language asdefault
And more………….
BRAND NEW SIM FREE/OPEN LINES/UNLOCK.
THE KINDS OF MOBILE PHONES ARE LISTED BELOW:
MOTOROLA RAZOR V3 for……..$150usd,
MOTORLA RAZOR V6 FOR……..$170usd,
MOTOROLA A1000 For $160,
MOTOROLA MPX 220 For…….. $135usd,
MOTOROLA MPX 300 For…….. $155usd,
SONY ERICSSON W800i For……..$160usd,
SONY ERICSSON K700i For…….. $150usd
SONY ERICSSON k750i For…….. $160usd
Sony Ericsson K500i For……… $130,
Sony Ericsson S700i For…….. $140,
SONY ERICSSON P900…….. For$165,
Sony Ericsson P910 For just $170usd,
Sony Ericsson: Z1010 For………..$175,
NOKIA 9500 For…….. $150usd,
NOKIA 9300 For…….. $130usd,
NOKIA 6260 For……..$140usd,
NOKIA 8800 For $150usd,
NOKIA N90 For…….. $180usd
NOKIA N91 For…….. $190usd,
NOKIA N92 For……….$200usd
NOKIA 7610 For………..$150,
NOKIA 6682 For…………145,
Nokia 6820 for ……….$130,
NOKIA 6682 For……….$160,
NOKIA 7650 For ……….$165,
NOKIA E60 for………. $160,
Nokia 6230 for………$130,
Nokia 6230i for ……….$140,
NOKIA E61 for………. $165.
NOKIA E70 for……… $170,
SENDO X For……….$140,
SIEMENS SX1 For……….$140,
NEXTEL i930 For…….. $130usd,
NEXTEL i860 For…….. $110usd,
SAMSUNG D500 For…….. $120usd,
SAMSUNG D600 FOR……..$130usd,
SAMSUNG Z500 For……..$160usd,
SAMSUNG D415 For…….. $110usd
SAMSUNG SGH-T500…For……. $120
SAMSUNG SGH-T200…For……. $100,
SAMSUNG SGH-E600…For $130
SAMSUNG 33SGH-D410 For……..$135,
SAMSUNG SGH-P100 For……..$100,
SAMSUNG E330C…For………$120,
SAMSUNG E800C For…………$150,
SAMSUNG D720 For ………….$150,
SAMSUNG D730 For ………….$155,
IPOD NANO
Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A……….60 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod photo ……………….55 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A……….50 USD
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player……40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…….45 USD
Apple 2 GB iPod Nano………………….50 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Nano………………….60 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe……………….80 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe……………….100 USD
QTEK
Qtek s200 =$100
Qtek 9000 =$130
Qtek 8310 =$200
Qtek 8300 =$210
Qtek 9100 =$240
Qtek 8100 =$250
Qtek s110 =$210
Qtek s100 =$200
Qtek 9090 =$210
Qtek 8020 =$200
Qtek 8010 =$180
Qtek 2020i=$240
Qtek 2020 =$250
Qtek 8080 =$130
PDA Brand new HP IPaq Pocket PC H4150 ========= $190
Brand new Asus MyPal A716 ================= $175
Brand new HP IPaq Pocket PC H4350 ========= $185
Brand new Toshiba Pocket PC E405 ========== $120
Brand new Sony Clie PEG-TH55 ============== $155
Brand new Toshiba Pocket PC E800 ========== $220
Brand new PalmOne Zire 72================== $120
Brand new PalmOne Tungsten E ============== $90
Brand new PalmOne Tungsten C ============== $140
Brand new PalmOne Zire 31 ================= $65
Brand new palm Treo 650=====================$240
Sony Laptops Sony VAIO VGN-T1 $680
Sony VAIO VGN-FS315 $420
Sony VAIO VGN-S3 $450
Sony VAIO VGN-TX1 $840
Sony VAIO VGN-FS215 $ 310
Sony VAIO VGN-S5 $710
Sony VAIO VGN-FS295 $ 650
Sony VAIO VGN-A517 $590
Sony VAIO VGN-S4 $470
Sony VAIO PCG-K35 $550,
SIDEKICK

Sidekick III Cell Phone for 150usd
T-Mobile Sidekick 2 for 100usd

NOTEBOOKS…

HP Compaq Business Notebook nx6110 -

Celeron M 360 1.4 …for $450usd
Sony VAIO 1.7GHz Pentium M Wireless

Notebook NEW for $650usd
Fujitsu Computer Systems LifeBook

N6110 - Intel Pentium …for $820usd
Acer Intel Pentium M 80GB Notebook Computer

with Combo Drive for $850usd
Acer AS3623WXMi Notebook PC for $310usd
IBM Thinkpad R32 1.9GHz 40G

Laptop/Notebook Fast PC NR for $170usd
TopSeller ThinkPad Z60t Celeron M

360 1.4GHz/1MBL2 …for $730usd

AND MANY MORE OF CHOICES…
WE PROVIDE A GOOD AND FAST SERVICES, OUR SHIPPMENT IS WITHIN 48HRS.
WE ARE GIVING OUR BUYERS A BONANZA OF WHICH IF YOU PURCHASE ANY TWO (2)
MOBILE PHONES FROM OUR COMPANY, YOU WILL GET ONE (1) FOR FREE.
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED DO GET BACK TO US WITH YOUR FULL SHIPPING ADDRESS
AND YOU CHOICE AND CONTACT PHONE NUMBER FOR THE EASY TRANSACTION THANKS,
[email protected]
[email protected]
REGARD,
MANAGEMENT.
Nil Stevin

zeth 08 Sep 06

Bonanza! Bonanza!! Bonanza!!! Buy two get one free ipod.
GLO MOBILE PHONES LIMITED.
We are wholesaler and units seller of Nokia, Sony Ericsson,phones,laptop.
Our Mobile Phones and laptop are:- Brand new saeled in company box,We are wholesaler and units seller of this items attach are our price list of the items,
any intressted buyers should contact us at our various mail or contact phone number….
SIDEKICK 3 for just…..$170usd
Nokia N93…..$220usd
Nokia N90…..$160usd
Nokia N91…..$170usd
Nokia N70…..$160usd
Nokia n80…..$190usd
Nokia n73…..$240usd
Nokia n71…..$180usd
Nokia n91…..$195usd
Nokia n90…..$190usd
Nokia n70…..$170usd
Nokia 8800….$190usd
Nokia 9300….$185usd
Nokia 9500….$180usd
Nokia 6610i…$100usd
Nokia 7270….$140usd
Nokia 6670….$120usd
Sony Ericsson P900…..$200usd
i-mate jas jar for $160usd
i-mate jam for $220usd
i-mate k jam for $280usd
Eten m 500 for $100usd
LAPTOPS
Dell Latitude C640 1.8GHz P4 Laptop w/CD-RW……$300USD
Dell Inspiron XPS M140 Notebook Computer for Home…..$450USD
Sony VAIO FS540P - Pentium M 730 1.6 GHz - 15.4” TFT…$450USD
Sony Intel Pentium M 100GB Notebook Computer with DVD+/-R/RW Drive…$540USD
ThinkPad G40 2389 - C 2.5 GHz - 14.1” TFT IBM…..$570USD
Panasonic Toughbook 18 Touchscre……$500USD
HP Compaq Business Notebook nc8230 - Pentium M 760 2 GHz - 15.4” TFT…$900USD
HP Compaq Mobile Workstation nw8240 - Pentium M 760 2 GHz - 15.4” TFT…$770USD
Sony VAIO VGN-T1 $680
Sony VAIO VGN-FS315 $420
Sony VAIO VGN-S3 $450
Sony VAIO VGN-TX1 $840
Sony VAIO VGN-FS215 $310
Sony VAIO VGN-S4 $470
Sony VAIO PCG-K35 $550
and many more…………..

WE PROVIDE A GOOD AND FAST SERVICES, OUR SHIPPMENT IS WITHIN 48HRS.
FOR MORE INFROMATION ABOUT OUR PRODUCT,YOU CAN CONTACT US ON OUR VARIOUS MAIL….
[email protected]

THANKS,
REGARDS,
MANAGEMENT.

desmond 14 Sep 06

BUSINESS QUOTE.
We have all brands of Mobile Phones,Ipods,Sidekicks,Nextels
phone,Laptops
for sell at cheap and
affordable prices, they ranges from
NOKIA
SAMSUNG
LG
SONYERICSSON
MOTOROLA
ALCATEL
PANASONIC With Bluetooth, all brands and Models of Nextel Phones, we want you to get back to us with your quote so that we can begin a good business relationship. Note they are all Brand New T2 Euro specs,unlocked, no operator logo, come in theiroriginal sealed box, With 1 year international warrantyfrom the manufacturer, English & Spanish manual, Finland made.

We want to assure you that you will never regret buyingfrom us because the delivery will be to your doorstep viaFedEx Courier service.And the Tracking number shall be sentto you upon acknowledgement of your payment.
Kindly acknowledge the reciept of our mail and get back tous at [email protected]

NEXTEL 1930 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$120USD
NEXTEL 1960 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$130USD
NEXTEL i870 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$140usd
NEXTEL i450 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…90usd
NEXTEL I830 FOR A VHEAP PRICE OF…..$100USD
NEXTEL 1860 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$105USD

SAMSUNG SCH i830 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$220USD
SAMSUNG MM-1940 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$190USD
SAMSUNG SGH D307 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF..$180USD
SAMSUNG SGH D720 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$170USD
SAMSUNG D500 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$160USD

MOTOROLA V3 RAZ FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$140USD
MOTOROLA MPX 220 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $120USD
MPX 300 FOR CHEAP PRICE OF…$150USD

SIDEKICK 2 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$120USD
SIDEKICK 3 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$180USD

SONYERICSSON P990 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$220USD
SONYERICSSON W900 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$210USD
SONYERICSSON Z500a FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$190usd
SONYERICSSON Z520 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$200USD
SONYERICSSON P910 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$180USD
SONYERICSSON P800 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$160USD
SONYERICSSON K750i FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$110USD

NOKIA 9500 COMMUNICATOR FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$200USD
NOKIA 9300 COMMUNICATOR FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$180USD
NOKIA N70 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $140USD
NOKIA N71 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $170USD
NOKIA N72 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $200USD
NOKIA N73 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $230USD
NOKIA N80 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $150USD
NOKIA N90 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $170USD
NOKIA N91 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $2000USD
NOKIA N92 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $240USD
NOKIA N93 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $270USD
NOKIA 7360 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$170USD
NOKIA 7370 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$180USD
NOKIA 6682 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$150USD
NOKIA 7380 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$200USD
NOKIA 8800 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$180USD
NOKIA E60 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$160USD
NOKIA E61 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$180USD

PAMTREO 600 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$120USD
PAMTREO 650 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$150USD,
XBOX 360 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$200USD

Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A …40 USD
Apple 40 GB iPod photo…40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A …40 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A…60 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod photo …55 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A…50 USD
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player…40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…45 USD
Apple 2 GB iPod Nano…50 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Nano…60 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Video…110 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Video…150 USD

for more details contact [email protected]

DESMOND 21 Sep 06

BUSINESS QUOTE.
We have all brands of Mobile Phones,Ipods,Sidekicks,Nextels
phone,Laptops
for sell at cheap and
affordable prices, they ranges from
NOKIA
SAMSUNG
LG
SONYERICSSON
MOTOROLA
ALCATEL
PANASONIC With Bluetooth, all brands and Models of Nextel Phones, we
want you to get back to us with your quote so that we can begin a good
business relationship. Note they are all Brand New T2 Euro
specs,unlocked, no operator logo, come in theiroriginal sealed box,
With 1 year international warrantyfrom the manufacturer, English &
Spanish manual, Finland made.

We want to assure you that you will never regret buyingfrom us because
the delivery will be to your doorstep viaFedEx Courier service.And the
Tracking number shall be sentto you upon acknowledgement of your
payment.
Kindly acknowledge the reciept of our mail and get back tous at
[email protected]

NEXTEL 1930 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$120USD
NEXTEL 1960 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$130USD
NEXTEL i870 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$140usd
NEXTEL i450 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…90usd
NEXTEL I830 FOR A VHEAP PRICE OF…..$100USD
NEXTEL 1860 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$105USD

SAMSUNG SCH i830 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$220USD
SAMSUNG MM-1940 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$190USD
SAMSUNG SGH D307 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF..$180USD
SAMSUNG SGH D720 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$170USD
SAMSUNG D500 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$160USD

MOTOROLA V3 RAZ FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$140USD
MOTOROLA MPX 220 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $120USD
MPX 300 FOR CHEAP PRICE OF…$150USD

SIDEKICK 2 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$120USD
SIDEKICK 3 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$180USD

SONYERICSSON P990 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$220USD
SONYERICSSON W900 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$210USD
SONYERICSSON Z500a FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$190usd
SONYERICSSON Z520 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$200USD
SONYERICSSON P910 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$180USD
SONYERICSSON P800 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$160USD
SONYERICSSON K750i FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$110USD

NOKIA 9500 COMMUNICATOR FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$200USD
NOKIA 9300 COMMUNICATOR FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$180USD
NOKIA N70 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $140USD
NOKIA N71 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $170USD
NOKIA N72 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $200USD
NOKIA N73 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $230USD
NOKIA N80 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $150USD
NOKIA N90 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $170USD
NOKIA N91 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $200USD
NOKIA N92 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $240USD
NOKIA N93 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF $270USD
NOKIA 7360 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$170USD
NOKIA 7370 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$180USD
NOKIA 6682 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$150USD
NOKIA 7380 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$200USD
NOKIA 8800 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$180USD
NOKIA E60 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$160USD
NOKIA E61 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$180USD

PAMTREO 600 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$120USD
PAMTREO 650 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$150USD,
XBOX 360 FOR A CHEAP PRICE OF…$200USD

Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A …40 USD
Apple 40 GB iPod photo…40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A …40 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A…60 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod photo …55 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A…50 USD
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player…40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…45 USD
Apple 2 GB iPod Nano…50 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Nano…60 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Video…110 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Video…150 USD

for more details contact [email protected]

Lopez 23 Sep 06

we are registered company in Egland and we sell all kind of electronics such as,
Phones, Laptops, psp, Xbox, playstation games, Ipods camcorders, ETC. we are still looking to gain more clients all over the world we are very serious seller, so we are searching for serious buyers too, you can reach us at,
([email protected]) or ([email protected])

Apple MA099LL/a 2GB iPod Nano - Black ——————————$100
Apple Computer iPod Nano 2GB White———————————- $110
Apple Computer iPod Video 30GB White ——————————-$95
Apple iPod 20GB (Color Screen) —————————————$162
iPod Nano 2GB (Black) —————————————————-$120
Apple iPod 60GB,————————————————————$150
Apple iPod 4GB,————————————————————-$90.
Data/Video Projector 28A8910-DUK ————————————-$700
Premier PBL211 Mount for Hitachi CPS210W Projector————$350
Sony Projector Suspension Support - PSS-H10 ———————$280
Infocus X2 DLP Projector Screen————————————— $250
TomTom Go700 GPS System————————————————— $400
TomTom GO700 Portable Bluetooth GPS Navigation System ——$450
TomTom GO700 GPS Auto Nav Bluetooth ———————————$550
TomTom Go300 GPS with 1GB SD Card———————————— $350
Tomtom GO 300 GPS Receiver ——————————————— $285
play station 1……… —————————————————$120
play station 2 ….———————————————————-$130
x_box 360………————————————————————$200
Xbox Video Game System Console —————————————-$150
Xbox 360 Core System ——————————————————-$100
Xbox Zenith 5’ TFT LCD Screen—————————————- -$50
Xbox 360 Platinum System ————————————————-$120
Xbox 360 “Premium Gold Pack” Video Game System—————- $130
Xbox 360 “Core Sports Bundle” Video Game System —————$95
(NOKIA PRODUCT)
NOKIA 6800(UNLOCK)— ———————————-US$110
NOKIA 7110(UNLOCK)————————————- US$100
NOKIA 7210 Turquoise(UNLOCK)— ——————-US$120
NOKIA 7250(UNLOCK)— ———————————-US$160
NOKIA 7260(UNLOCK)— ———————————-US$180
NOKIA 7650(UNLOCK)————————————- US$120
NOKIA 7270(UNLOCK)— ———————————-US$220
NOKIA 7280(UNLOCK)— ———————————-US$250
NOKIA 8310(UNLOCK)— ———————————-US$100
NOKIA 8390 1900 MHZ ————————————US$95
NOKIA 7600(UNLOCK)—————————————US$170
NOKIA 8910 Titanium— ———————————US$100
NOKIA 8850 SPECIAL EDITION— ———————-US$105
NOKIA 8850 GOLD EDITION— —————————US$100
NOKIA 8910 Black— ————————————-US$110
NOKIA 9210 Communicator— —————————US$110
NOKIA 9210i Communicator— ————————-US$110
NOKIA 8910i— ———————————————US$150
NOKIA 9500 AT JUST ————————————-$195usd,
NOKIA 8850 GOLD EDITION— —————————US$120,
NOKIA 9300 AT JUST ————————————-$160usd,
Nokia N70 At JUST —————————————$140usd
NOKIA N80 AT JUST————————————— $180usd
NOKIA N90 AT JUST —————————————$200usd
NOKIA N91 AT JUST —————————————$220usd
NOKIA N92 AT JUST —————————————$245usd
(SONY ERICSSON)
SONY ERICSSON T200(UNLOCK)— ———————-US$49
SONY ERICSSON T100(UNLOCK)— ———————-US$39
SONY ERICSSON R600(UNLOCK)— ———————-US$59
SONY ERICSSON T20e(UNLOCK)— ———————-US$59
SONY CMD-J70(UNLOCK)— ——————————-US$59
SONY ERICSSON T20s(UNLOCK)— ———————-US$69
SONY ERICSSON T28s(UNLOCK)— ———————-US$79
SONY ERICSSON T28 World— —————————US$79
SONY ERICSSON T29s— ———————————-US$100
SONY ERICSSON T600— ———————————-US$100
SONY CMD-J7— ———————————————US$100
SONY CMD-J6———————————————— US$100
SONY ERICSSON T300(UNLOCK)—————————US$100
SONY ERICSSON T306 850/1900 ————————US$75
SONY ERICSSON T68i TIRBAND — ———————US$95
SONY ERICSSON T65————————————— US$100
SONY ERICSSON T310(UNLOCK)— ———————-US$69
SONY ERICSSON T39m(UNLOCK)— ———————-US$79
SONY ERICSSON T66(UNLOCK)— ————————US$79
SONY ERICSSON T616 850/1900 ————————US$180
SONY ERICSSON R520m(UNLOCK)— ———————US$89
SONY ERICSSON R380 World— ————————-US$89
SONY ERICSSON R380s— ———————————US$69
SONY ERICSSON T68m— ———————————-US$79
SONY ERICSSON T610— ———————————-US$109
SONY CMD-MZ5— ——————————————-US$139
SONY ERICSSON P800(UNLOCK)— ———————-US$180
SONY ERICSSON P900(UNLOCK)—————————US$200
SONY ERICSSON P980i(UNLOCK)————————-US$200
SONYERICSSON P990 JUST FOR …———————$210USD
(MOTOROLA)
MOTOROLA Talkabout 191— —————————-US$19
MOTOROLA C330— US$59
MOTOROLA C331[UNLOCK]FACT RB ———————-US$35
MOTOROLA C332[UNLOCK]FACT RB ———————-US$35
MOTOROLA V66— ——————————————-US$69
MOTOROLA v66i— ——————————————US$79
MOTOROLA Talkabout192——————————— US$59
MOTOROLA V51———————————————- US$79
MOTOROLA V50— ——————————————-US$79
MOTOROLA V70— ——————————————-US$79
MOTOROLA V60———————————————- US$79
MOTOROLA V60i— ——————————————US$79
MOTOROLA T720— ——————————————US$79
MOTOROLA Accompli 008——————————— US$79
MOTOROLA Timeport 280——————————— US$79
MOTOROLA V300[UNLOCK]C/R—————————- US$100
MOTOROLA V400[UNLOCK]C/R—————————- US$115
MTOROLA T720 C/R[CINGULAR]—————————US$80
MOTOROLA V600———————————————-US$120
MOTOROLA MPX 220 AT JUST —————————-$120usd,
MOTOROLA MPX 300 AT JUST —————————-$160usd,
MOTOROLA V661 AT JUST——————————— $145USD
MOTOROLA V3 RAZ JUST FOR..—————————$160USD BLACK COLOR,
(SAMSUNG)
SAMSUNG SGH-N620— ————————————-US$59
SAMSUNG SGH-A800— ————————————-US$69
SAMSUNG SGH-A300(UNLOCK)— ————————-US$79
SAMSUNG SGH-R210— ————————————-US$69
NEXTEL i930 AT JUST ————————————$110usd,
NEXTEL i860 AT JUST ————————————$100usd,
SONY ERICSSON W800i AT JUST ————————$140usd
SONY ERICSSON W900i AT JUST ————————$220usd
SONY ERICSSON S700i AT JUST ————————$125usd
SIDEKICK II AT JUST ————————————$100usd,
(SAGEM PRODUCT)
NEXTEL 1930 JUST FOR…——————————-$120USD
NEXTEL i870at JUST FOR ..—————————-$140usd
NEXTEL i450 JUST FOR ..——————————-90usd
NEXTEL 1860 JUST FOR ..——————————-$110USD
SIDEKICK 3 JUST FOR ..———————————$140USD

Kevin Rich 03 Oct 06

WE ARE THE SELLER OF VARIOUS TYPES OF MOBILE PHONES, IPODS, POCKET PC, PSP, LAPTOPS,VIDEO GAMES,
GPS NAVIGATOR AND MANY MORE WITH COMPLETE ACCESSORIES, WELL PACKED AND SEALED IN ORIGINAL COMPANY BOX,ALL OUR

PRODUCTS comes with Complete accessories(Well packed and sealed in original company box)
Unlocked / sim free. Brand new (original manufacturer) box - no copies
All phones have english language as default language.
All material (software, manual) - car chargers - home chargers - usb data cables - holsters/belt
clips - wireless headsets(bluetooth) - leather and non-leather carrying cases - batteries.if you
are interested, forward your questions and enquires to us via email with your order and shipping
details. we give 2 years international warranty for every product sold out to our costumers, our product are
company class 1 tested and approved by global standard organization of wireless industries, Brand
new merchandise with complete accessories, extra charger and battery.serious buyers should.
Contact Person:
Mr.Kevin Rich.
+2348028517831
+2348058582876
+2348064388901

[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

Nokia:
Nokia n93 $230usd
Nokia n92 $200usd
Nokia n91 $190usd
Nokia n90 $150usd
Nokia n72 $150usd
Nokia n73 $160usd
Nokia n80 $165usd
Nokia e73 $165usd
Nokia n70 $160usd
Nokia 3250 $170usd
Nokia 7200 $195usd
Nokia 9300 $220usd
Nokia 7250i $175usd
Nokia 8800 $220usd
Nokia 9210i communicator $160usd
Nokia 9500 communicator $170usd
Nokia 9300 communicator..$200usd
Nokia n-gage $160usd
Nokia n-gage qd. $150usd

Samsungs:
Samsung Q1 $400
Samsung SGH-e910 $200usd
Samsung SCH-i730 $130usd
Samsung D870 $200usd
Samsung SGH-Z510 $180usd
Samsung p850 $200usd
Samsung d700 $160usd
Samsung d600 $140usd
Samsung d500 $120usd
Samsung SGH-E910 $180usd
Samsung e600 $180usd
Samsung e800 $160usd
Samsung sgh-d410 $270usd
Samsung sgh-e700 $150usd
Samsung sgh-e715 $170usd
Samsung sgh-p100 $130usd
Samsung sgh-p400 $100usd
Samsung SGH-Z510 $150usd
Samsung SGH-p300 $180usd
Samsung SGH-i300 $170usd
Samsung sgh-p408 $200usd
Samsung sgh-p730 $150usd
Samsung sgh-s300m $100usd
Samsung x450 $100usd

Sony ericsson:
Sony Ericsson k790A $230usd
Sony Ericsson p990 $200usd
Sony Ericsson w900 $180usd
Sony Ericsson Z525a $200usd
Sony Ericsson W710i $190usd
Sony Ericsson Z710i $200usd
Sony Ericsson W300i $180usd
Sony Ericsson K310 $180usd
Sony Ericsson M600 $200usd
Sony Ericsson j100 $240usd
Sony ericsson k500i $130usd
Sony Ericsson p800 $140usd
Sony Ericsson p900 $150usd
Sony Ericsson p910 $180usd
Sony Ericsson z1010 $160usd
Sony Ericsson z600 $130usd
Sony Ericsson s700i $150usd
Sony Ericsson s750i $180usd
Sony Ericsson W800i $180usd
Motorola:
Motorola pebl u6 $150usd
Motorola U6 PEBL Bluetooth Headset HS850 $250
Motorola a1200 $200usd
Motorola a1010 $180usd
Motorola a1000 $170usd
Motorola a388c $170usd
Motorola a760 $166usd
Motorola a768 $170usd
Motorola a768i $160usd
Motorola a780 $170usd
Motorola i860 $135usd
Motorola Mpx 300 $150usd
Motorola Mpx 220 $140usd
Motorola V6 $150usd
Motorola L7 $165usd
Motorola e680 $200usd
Motorola razor v3 $90usd
Motorola v220 $170usd
Motorola v303 $100usd
Motorola v400 $150usd
Motorola v500 $150usd
Motorola v501 $200usd
Motorola v525 $150usd
Motorola v600 (oem) w/ Bluetooth headset $260usd
Motorola v600 oem $200usd
Motorola v690 $170usd
Motorola v750 $180usd
Motorola v80 200usd
Motorola v80 with Bluetooth $260usd
Motorola v872 $200usd
Motorola v878 $180usd
Motorola v300 $150usd
E-ten:
ETEN G500……$200usd
Eten M500……$180usd
ETEN M600……$200usd
Nextel:
NEXTEL I930 …$130USD
NEXTEL I870….$120USD
NEXTEL I860….$100USD
Sidekick:
T-Mobile sidekick 3 (III)…$170
Sidekick 2 (II)…….$140
Pink Juicy Couture Sidekick 2 $155usd
T-MOBILE SIDEKICK II 2 MISTER MR. CARTOON $150
Treo:
The Treo 700w…$220
The Treo 650….$170
The Treo 700p…$230
I-mate JAM 850 Mhz PDA phone…$140
I-MATE K-JAM …$270
i-MATE JASJAR…..$200
BlackBerry 8700r….$200
Blackberry 8700c….$200
Blackberry 8700g….$210
Video Game:
Xbox 360 premium package…$200
Psp (play station)..$145
Ps2…$145
Ps3…$205
Ps1…$75
Apple Ipod:
Apple iPod nano 4GB….$131.50us
Apple iPod nano 2GB….$112.00us
Apple 30 GB Video iPod….$140.50us
Apple 60 GB Video iPod….$155.00us
Apple 20 GB iPod : $126.00USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini….$105.00USD
Apple 6 GB iPod Mini…$114.00USD
Apple 40 GB iPod photo….$110.00USD
Apple 60 GB iPod photo….$130.00USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo….$116.00
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player….$94.00
psp:
Sony PSP - PlayStation Portable Console..$90
Sony PSP Bundle……$130
Sony PSP - PlayStation Portable - Japanese Version…$200
Sony PSP 1001K Console….$100
GPS Navigator:
Garmin Street Pilot C530 … $250
Garmin Street Pilot C550 … $300
Garmin Quest 2 Pocket GPS Navigator $150
Garmin nuvi 350 Portable… $300
GARMIN StreetPilot 7200, North America GPS Navigator…$400
Garmin StreetPilot 2730 GPS Navigator…$430
Garmin Street Pilot 2720….$300
Tomtom Go 700 GPS Navigator….$300
TomTom GO 300 All-In-One… $200
TomTom Rider GPS Navigator…$230
Palm LifeDrive Mobile Manager…$140
LAPTOPS:
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 15 INCH DISPLAY……..$700
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.0GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER……..$700
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 17 INCH DISPLAY……$600
SONY VAIO A217S— 100GB— 512MB RAM— XP HOME……………..$500
SONY VAIO B1VP— 40GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP PRO…………….$430
SONY VAIO T370P/L— 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP……………..$400
SONY VAIO A417M 80GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP………………$650
Dell Laptop 1100-BX7ZT21…$450
Dell Latitude C640 - 2.0GHz, 512MB, 40GB…$500
Dell Inspiron Model 8500 Laptop..$400
Dell Latitude D810…$900
Dell Inspiron 6000 Notebook Computer..$600
Dell Laptop,Wireless,Intel M,60GB HD,CD/DVD, XP,Pro…$560
Toshiba Laptop P4M 1.8GHz 512MB 60GB CDRW/DVD GF4 WiFi … $400
Toshiba M45-S359 Laptop Computer (Refurbished)..$450
Toshiba Satellite M45-S359…$400
Toshiba Satellite M105-S3001…$400
Toshiba G25-AV513 Qosmio� Laptop Computer (Refurbished)…$600

Kevin Rich 03 Oct 06

WE ARE THE SELLER OF VARIOUS TYPES OF MOBILE PHONES, IPODS, POCKET PC, PSP, LAPTOPS,VIDEO GAMES,
GPS NAVIGATOR AND MANY MORE WITH COMPLETE ACCESSORIES, WELL PACKED AND SEALED IN ORIGINAL COMPANY BOX,ALL OUR

PRODUCTS comes with Complete accessories(Well packed and sealed in original company box)
Unlocked / sim free. Brand new (original manufacturer) box - no copies
All phones have english language as default language.
All material (software, manual) - car chargers - home chargers - usb data cables - holsters/belt
clips - wireless headsets(bluetooth) - leather and non-leather carrying cases - batteries.if you
are interested, forward your questions and enquires to us via email with your order and shipping
details. we give 2 years international warranty for every product sold out to our costumers, our product are
company class 1 tested and approved by global standard organization of wireless industries, Brand
new merchandise with complete accessories, extra charger and battery.serious buyers should.
Contact Person:
Mr.Kevin Rich.
+2348028517831
+2348058582876
+2348064388901

[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

Nokia:
Nokia n93 $230usd
Nokia n92 $200usd
Nokia n91 $190usd
Nokia n90 $150usd
Nokia n72 $150usd
Nokia n73 $160usd
Nokia n80 $165usd
Nokia e73 $165usd
Nokia n70 $160usd
Nokia 3250 $170usd
Nokia 7200 $195usd
Nokia 9300 $220usd
Nokia 7250i $175usd
Nokia 8800 $220usd
Nokia 9210i communicator $160usd
Nokia 9500 communicator $170usd
Nokia 9300 communicator..$200usd
Nokia n-gage $160usd
Nokia n-gage qd. $150usd

Samsungs:
Samsung Q1 $400
Samsung SGH-e910 $200usd
Samsung SCH-i730 $130usd
Samsung D870 $200usd
Samsung SGH-Z510 $180usd
Samsung p850 $200usd
Samsung d700 $160usd
Samsung d600 $140usd
Samsung d500 $120usd
Samsung SGH-E910 $180usd
Samsung e600 $180usd
Samsung e800 $160usd
Samsung sgh-d410 $270usd
Samsung sgh-e700 $150usd
Samsung sgh-e715 $170usd
Samsung sgh-p100 $130usd
Samsung sgh-p400 $100usd
Samsung SGH-Z510 $150usd
Samsung SGH-p300 $180usd
Samsung SGH-i300 $170usd
Samsung sgh-p408 $200usd
Samsung sgh-p730 $150usd
Samsung sgh-s300m $100usd
Samsung x450 $100usd

Sony ericsson:
Sony Ericsson k790A $230usd
Sony Ericsson p990 $200usd
Sony Ericsson w900 $180usd
Sony Ericsson Z525a $200usd
Sony Ericsson W710i $190usd
Sony Ericsson Z710i $200usd
Sony Ericsson W300i $180usd
Sony Ericsson K310 $180usd
Sony Ericsson M600 $200usd
Sony Ericsson j100 $240usd
Sony ericsson k500i $130usd
Sony Ericsson p800 $140usd
Sony Ericsson p900 $150usd
Sony Ericsson p910 $180usd
Sony Ericsson z1010 $160usd
Sony Ericsson z600 $130usd
Sony Ericsson s700i $150usd
Sony Ericsson s750i $180usd
Sony Ericsson W800i $180usd
Motorola:
Motorola pebl u6 $150usd
Motorola U6 PEBL Bluetooth Headset HS850 $250
Motorola a1200 $200usd
Motorola a1010 $180usd
Motorola a1000 $170usd
Motorola a388c $170usd
Motorola a760 $166usd
Motorola a768 $170usd
Motorola a768i $160usd
Motorola a780 $170usd
Motorola i860 $135usd
Motorola Mpx 300 $150usd
Motorola Mpx 220 $140usd
Motorola V6 $150usd
Motorola L7 $165usd
Motorola e680 $200usd
Motorola razor v3 $90usd
Motorola v220 $170usd
Motorola v303 $100usd
Motorola v400 $150usd
Motorola v500 $150usd
Motorola v501 $200usd
Motorola v525 $150usd
Motorola v600 (oem) w/ Bluetooth headset $260usd
Motorola v600 oem $200usd
Motorola v690 $170usd
Motorola v750 $180usd
Motorola v80 200usd
Motorola v80 with Bluetooth $260usd
Motorola v872 $200usd
Motorola v878 $180usd
Motorola v300 $150usd
E-ten:
ETEN G500……$200usd
Eten M500……$180usd
ETEN M600……$200usd
Nextel:
NEXTEL I930 …$130USD
NEXTEL I870….$120USD
NEXTEL I860….$100USD
Sidekick:
T-Mobile sidekick 3 (III)…$170
Sidekick 2 (II)…….$140
Pink Juicy Couture Sidekick 2 $155usd
T-MOBILE SIDEKICK II 2 MISTER MR. CARTOON $150
Treo:
The Treo 700w…$220
The Treo 650….$170
The Treo 700p…$230
I-mate JAM 850 Mhz PDA phone…$140
I-MATE K-JAM …$270
i-MATE JASJAR…..$200
BlackBerry 8700r….$200
Blackberry 8700c….$200
Blackberry 8700g….$210
Video Game:
Xbox 360 premium package…$200
Psp (play station)..$145
Ps2…$145
Ps3…$205
Ps1…$75
Apple Ipod:
Apple iPod nano 4GB….$131.50us
Apple iPod nano 2GB….$112.00us
Apple 30 GB Video iPod….$140.50us
Apple 60 GB Video iPod….$155.00us
Apple 20 GB iPod : $126.00USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini….$105.00USD
Apple 6 GB iPod Mini…$114.00USD
Apple 40 GB iPod photo….$110.00USD
Apple 60 GB iPod photo….$130.00USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo….$116.00
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player….$94.00
psp:
Sony PSP - PlayStation Portable Console..$90
Sony PSP Bundle……$130
Sony PSP - PlayStation Portable - Japanese Version…$200
Sony PSP 1001K Console….$100
GPS Navigator:
Garmin Street Pilot C530 … $250
Garmin Street Pilot C550 … $300
Garmin Quest 2 Pocket GPS Navigator $150
Garmin nuvi 350 Portable… $300
GARMIN StreetPilot 7200, North America GPS Navigator…$400
Garmin StreetPilot 2730 GPS Navigator…$430
Garmin Street Pilot 2720….$300
Tomtom Go 700 GPS Navigator….$300
TomTom GO 300 All-In-One… $200
TomTom Rider GPS Navigator…$230
Palm LifeDrive Mobile Manager…$140
LAPTOPS:
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 15 INCH DISPLAY……..$700
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.0GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER……..$700
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 17 INCH DISPLAY……$600
SONY VAIO A217S— 100GB— 512MB RAM— XP HOME……………..$500
SONY VAIO B1VP— 40GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP PRO…………….$430
SONY VAIO T370P/L— 60GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP……………..$400
SONY VAIO A417M 80GB HD— 512MB RAM— XP………………$650
Dell Laptop 1100-BX7ZT21…$450
Dell Latitude C640 - 2.0GHz, 512MB, 40GB…$500
Dell Inspiron Model 8500 Laptop..$400
Dell Latitude D810…$900
Dell Inspiron 6000 Notebook Computer..$600
Dell Laptop,Wireless,Intel M,60GB HD,CD/DVD, XP,Pro…$560
Toshiba Laptop P4M 1.8GHz 512MB 60GB CDRW/DVD GF4 WiFi … $400
Toshiba M45-S359 Laptop Computer (Refurbished)..$450
Toshiba Satellite M45-S359…$400
Toshiba Satellite M105-S3001…$400
Toshiba G25-AV513 Qosmio� Laptop Computer (Refurbished)…$600

MATHEW 06 Oct 06

Mr MATHEW WOOD,
B12 LIMITED,
Registered No. 05296638
100 MAIDEN LANE, LONDON, NW1 9UQ
England
Phone:+447024028943
We have all brands of Mobile Phones,Laptops,Plasma and LCd TV,MP3,MP,ipods,games,psp,4 for sale at cheap and affordable prices, they range from:
Sony/Dell/Gateway/Sharp/Toshiba/Hp
Nokia/Samsung/LG/SonyEricsson/Motorola/Alcatel/panasonic.
All Brands and all Models of Nextel Phones, we want you to
get back to us with your quote so that we can begin a good business
relationship.
Note they are all Brand New T2 Euro specs,
unlocked,sim-free, no
operator logo, come in their original sealedbox, With 18 months international
warranty from the manufacturer, English & Spanish manual,
Finland made.
We want to assure you that you will never regret buying from us because we make quick and safe delivery to your doorstep via a reliable courier service(Dhl,Fedex,Ups and Tnt).And the Tracking number shall be sent to you to acknowledgement your shipment. We give our customers some discount for a large quantity ordered for.You can easily contact us through mails or kindly provide to us your phone numbers to give you a call..Interested buyer’s should feel free to contact us via:
([email protected],[email protected],[email protected],[email protected]@yahoo.com
You can get back to us with the details of your orders so we can give you our best quotes.
Regards,
GOLDEN ELECTRONICS LIMITED
PRICELIST
Nokia N93…….$200USD
Nokia N80…….$170USD
Nokia N92…….$190USD
Nokia N91…….$185USD
Nokia N90…….$180USD
Nokia N70…….$130USD
Nokia N71…….$140USD
Nokia 8800……$155USD
Nokia 7710…….$130USD
Nokia 7610…….$140usd
Nokia 9300……$130USD
Nokia 9500……$150USD
Qtek 9000…….. $180
Dopod 900 ………. $185
o2 xda exec …….. $170
I-MATE JASJER…….$150USD
Juicy SIDEKICK II……….$110USD
SIDEKICK III……………..$180USD
XBOX360………..$180USD
IP0D GB 60 VIDEO…………..$120USD
Samsung D410………$130usd
Samsung D500………$140usd
Samsung d600………$160usd
Samsungd900……….$180usd
Mitac MIO 8930……$280usd
Motorola razor v3………$00usd
Motorola razor v3 pink edition….$120usd
Motorola v3X……………….$150usd
Motorola V3i………….$120
Motorola MPX300.,…$150usd
Nextel i930………$130usd
Nextel i870………$100usd
Nextel i860………$120usd
Nextel i90c………$60USD
Nextel i95cl……..$90USD
Sony Ericsson p990…..$160usd
Sony Ericsson p910i….$130usd
Sony Ericsson w900i….$145usd
Sony Ericsson K750i….$140usd
Sony Ericsson k800i….$140usd
Sony Ericsson k700i….$120usd
Sony Ericsson W800i….$150usd
Sony Ericsson W900 ….$160usd
sony Ericsson w600i….$140usd
Treo 700……………$165usd
Treo 600……………$170usd
Treo 650……………$150usd
20GB iPod 20GB iPod ………….65USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A ……60 USD
Apple 40 GB iPod photo………………..50 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A ….40 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A……….60 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod photo ……………….55 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A……….50 USD
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player……40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…….45 USD
Apple 2 GB iPod Nano…………………50 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Nano…………………70USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe……………….200 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe……………….130 USD
play station 1……… $120
play station 2 ….$130