Donovan McNutt, Founder & President of GeekDesk, on his company’s story:
The beginning
This business started when I was a 17-year-old kid — I went innertubing in the snow with a friend of mine, the snow was icy, we got off course and ended up flying across a ravine in an accident bad enough that it broke her pelvis and darn near broke my back. I ended up with a rib broken loose from my sternum, and the vertebrae connected to that rib pretty much knocked silly. It didn’t affect me that much until I was older, but by the time I was in my 30s, back pain was a fairly recurring problem for me. That was what drove me to look for a better way to work as a programmer.
When I first started looking for better ways of working (in terms of sitting/standing), I kept coming across these fixed diagram pictures showing “the proper way to sit at a computer” — usually spouted by supposed ergonomic experts. You know the type I’m talking about — feet flat on the floor, elbows at perfect right angles, etc. For me, my body was saying something much simpler: “MOVE!” It was telling me to change position once in a while. I pretty much had to ignore the experts at the time to trust that intuition.
GeekDesk started with around $20,000 and some well-leveraged relationships. I already had a reasonably steady stream of income from a small consulting business, and long ago learned how to live pretty modestly. So we didn’t need to make a whole lot of money right out of the gate. We don’t share revenues or employee count figures, but we qualified for this profile (profitable and over $1M in revenues) last year with significant room to spare. And so far this year, sales are averaging between two and three times what they were last year.
I love who we sell our products to. Every week, it seems like somebody I’ve heard of buys a desk or we get some great feedback from someone whose life was changed by just being able to stand up once in a while. I can’t really name names but some of my personal programming superheroes have purchased desks from us. It’s all I can do to not reach out and say “Hey, thanks! We think you are really cool!” It’s fun to be able to produce something that people you greatly admire find useful.
How we work
We don’t have a conventional “office” of any kind. Our work environment is what I’d describe as flexible, down-to-earth, and human. I’ve been self-employed most of my adult life (I’m in my mid-40s now) and never cared much for the typical corporate environment. Our culture reflects that. I’d like to think Scott Adams wouldn’t find very much fodder for his Dilbert cartoon strip here.
In general, we try to give our team a lot of room to move and encourage people to think for themselves, focusing on the overarching values and vision more than policy and procedure. I’m not much of a taskmaster — in fact, I actually hate telling people what to do all day — so I have found that it helps if I surround myself with people who “get it,” are generally proactive, and can think for themselves. They can take my occasional “sidelines coaching” input and run with it in such a way that, given their specific gifts and talents, they completely blow out of the water anything I would ever be able to do by myself.
I like to keep the organization as “flat” as possible. Wherever possible, I like to see people working side-by-side rather than over/under. Sometimes this frustrates people, because they want positional authority; It’s more “efficient.” I prefer relational authority. It’s more effective.
Most of our customer service and support team works from home, and many of them have tremendous flexibility with respect to their hours. Because our team is very distributed, we use online communication a lot, as well as conference calls when necessary. Our main phone system is Internet-based, allowing us to route calls pretty much anywhere. A lot of our face-to-face administrative time as a team takes place in cafes or shared co-working spaces, but it seems like most of our management and advisory team’s deeper planning and problem-solving time typically takes place outdoors while going for a good walk somewhere interesting, or sitting by a river. Here’s the view from our last session (see photo).
Advice
My advice for someone considering starting a business: Take into consideration what age you are, what stage in life you’re at. I’m in my mid-40s, and I’m a very different person in some ways than I was when I was in my 20s. Things that were worth pouring tons of energy into when I was 25, I may not find nearly so interesting or enticing now.
Starting a business takes a tremendous amount of energy — far more energy than most people who have been employees all their life typically even imagine — so it’s really important to pay attention to what it is you’re pouring your energy into. It needs to line up with what you want your life to look like.
So with that, I think I would say one of my axioms these days is this: Make sure you own your business, rather than your business owning you. There’s an article I read about once a year that relates to that: “The Good Life and How to Get It.”
Make sure you own your business, rather than your business owning you.
Take retreats, by yourself or perhaps your spouse or business partner if it’s appropriate, regularly. I can’t say strongly enough how important it is to pay attention to where it is you’re going. If you don’t step out of the intense stream of the day-to-day, it’s very easy to find yourself on a path you don’t really even want to be on.
You need to zoom out once in a while and take a look at the map and your own little “you are here” star, and see if the path you are on is the one that will actually get you where you want to go. I don’t think you can do that smack dab in the middle of running things day-to-day. You have to get away, turn things off, be still, and just think and ponder and reflect.
It takes time, and time is inherently an investment. I try to take at least two retreats a year. Absolutely at least one no matter what. And when things are “in sync”in terms of the balance between external demands and internal navigation, I tend to take more (along the lines of three or four). I’m happiest when I have a sense for where I’m going, and I suspect that is probably true of most successful entrepreneurial types.
You really only have four resources to work with: Time, Energy, Money, and Information. They each have distinct properties, strengths and weaknesses. In many cases there are sort of “exchange rates” between them. For instance you can often spend money to save time, or, like most people do when they work, slice off little parts of their life (time) and trade those slices for money. Information is unique in that it is primarily a catalyst. If you use it well, it can really leverage the other three. Energy tends to be related to time, but they are not fused directly together — it’s possible to spend time without spending much energy and it’s possible to spend a tremendous amount of energy in a very short period of time. That little framework helps navigate all kinds of planning, deployment, and execution decisions. I tend to think of my job as stewarding the four of them well, with good synergy.
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This is part of our “Bootstrapped, Profitable, & Proud” series which profiles companies that have over one million dollars in revenues, didn’t take VC, and are profitable.
Anonymous Coward
on 15 Jun 11I can’t tell if it’s just that the series of B,P & P is boring or it’s just consistently poor writing.
Anonymous Coward
on 15 Jun 11Way to spend that time and energy to cut someone down, AC.
I enjoyed your post Donovan, I think if more people took the approach to managing others and your business, the average workplace would be much more enjoyable.
hmmmm
on 15 Jun 11The video says “Jeepers, the video can’t be played with your setup… yada yada html5 yada”. Funny thing is, I’m using Safari 5.
Matt
on 16 Jun 11Thanks for the post! I did not find it boring at all.
Alex Humphrey
on 16 Jun 11Donovan, great post! I really enjoyed the talk about how you started the business. I especially appreciate your call to 20-somethings to take a breather and think before they start pouring their energy into something. I’m a 20-something who is pouring his energy into something. It’s been a long journey, but I’m here.
For your business, what’s the most difficult part of having a more horizontal employee structure? Is it the frustration some people have of not being able to tell others what to do?
Alex Humphrey
on 16 Jun 11PS – I didn’t find this post boring at all!
David Andersen
on 16 Jun 11@AC#1 – you inability to discern that is the least of your worries.
Tim Flores
on 16 Jun 11I just put in an order with these guys earlier today. What are the odds that they get featured no BP&P the same day. Its almost creepy in all honesty.
I am excited to try a new kind of computer desk and will probably write a review on their product when it arrives.
Nickolas Means
on 16 Jun 11Finally pulled the trigger on ordering a GeekDesk 2.0 last week after wanting one for a few years. I’ve only worked on it for two days now, and my back already feels better at the end of a workday than it has in the few years I’ve been holding off on buying one. Should’ve done it a long time ago.
Props to Donovan & co. for making an great product and finding a way to sell it so affordably. (Yeah, it’s still not cheap, but take a look at the other height-adjustable options out there and you quickly realize what a solid deal GeekDesk products are.)
Donovan McNutt
on 16 Jun 11@AC #2, @Alex Humphrey: Thanks for the kind and encouraging words.
@AC #1: May you learn the enduring value of kindness and encouragement. ; )
Minor note for the record: The post above is Matt’s consolidated and edited-down rearrangement of my answers to a Q&A email interview. That’s not an easy editorial transformation to pull off. I think he did a fine job.
@Tim Flores, @Nikolas Means: Thanks so much for your business. May your GeekDesks give you years of great service!:) @Tim, please don’t hesitate to contact us if you run into any problems setting yours up. @Nikolas, it’s testimonials like yours that absolutely make our day. Thanks so much.
@Alex Humphrey, regarding having a more horizontal structure: In general, IMHO, and speaking from years of observation, the people who “want to tell others what to do” often have issues with too much ego in the game. We work hard at targeting humility as a fundamental hiring qualifier, so that’s not too much of a problem around here. More often it’s people wanting either A) quicker/easier resolution of the very minor issues that come up when two teammates are working on the same task, or B) a clearer, unambiguous sense of where their authority boundaries are (e.g. knowing they are not responsible for setting up a specific policy or the like). For some people, adjusting to a more “side-by-side” way of working takes some time, but I’ve never had anybody complain about it once they get used to truly working as part of a team.
Matt Henderson
on 16 Jun 11Thanks for the article, Donovan. I particularly enjoyed the final paragraph, speaking about the relationship between time, money, energy and information, as well as the discussion about the shift in perspective that takes place as you pass through your 20s, 30s, 40s, etc.
Yosep Kim
on 16 Jun 11Wow. This article was awesome. I can’t believe someone thought it was boring! Thank you very much for the great article. I am going to send out an email to my co-workers to see what they think of this “cool” chair.. and this awesome article.
(another) Bob
on 16 Jun 11Great article, Donavan and a nice perspective on how time plays such a huge role in our lives, which we tend mostly to not plan out or budget. This is something I seem to become more keenly aware of each year.
I’m going to send this to two of my developer friends who have back problems. One of them opted for a high-top desk with a pedestal chair to accomplish switching from sitting to standing but it’s just not as comfortable as a normally seated position.
Best of luck.
Doug Reeder
on 17 Jun 11Interesting to hear of such flexibility in a manufacturing company. And the tradeoffs between Time, Energy, Money, and Information are worth keeping in mind.
FWIW, my GeekDesk arrived a week ago, and I rather like it. The design is solid, but assembling it takes several times longer than they estimate, because the holes aren’t pre-drilled.
(another) Bob
on 17 Jun 11This just in: ABC News reported yesterday that sitting at work is more likely to be a cause of cancer than cell phones or Styrofoam cups. Their advice? Stand up and/or move around.
BillP
on 17 Jun 11Thanks for your interview and for providing the link to the Great Harvest Bread CEO article. Both make for awesome reading and are just what I need at this time in my life.
All the best to you & your company.
Mason
on 17 Jun 11Love my GeekDesk! Been using it for a few weeks now.
Shark
on 20 Jun 11I really enjoyed the article as well as the thought provoking section on “Time, Energy, Money and Information”.
As to the product it looks great and I want one. I find myself getting up regularly and still trying to see the screen.
Thanks.
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