Run a business long enough, and you’re bound to say goodbye to employees along the way. You might not think it matters how that goodbye is said – hey, they’re leaving anyway! – but you’d be wrong.
To be honest, we haven’t always had graceful goodbyes at Basecamp. To be even more honest, I’ve said goodbyes that weren’t graceful. And that still bugs me, and it serves as a recurrent reminder of why it matters.
A bad goodbye is abrupt and unexpected. It’s curt. And it’s like that because it’s easier to bottle up small frustrations, on both sides of the table, until they aren’t small at all anymore. By the time shit is spilling over everywhere, the time for small corrections has passed, and cutting ties can feel like the only option. A goodbye that sails through like a break-up text out of nowhere is the last thing you want, and it’s one of the worst ways to see an employee go.
Of course, not all goodbyes are bad. Far from it. People grow, people change. Like all relationships, not all roles are destined FOR LIFE.
In a relatively small company like ours, the career path at Basecamp is generally to become better at your craft. Level up within your domain of competency. Not to climb a managerial ladder, because there isn’t much of one.
We’ve also had people leave Basecamp to go build their own company or to change careers. Those are generally good goodbyes, because they’re the easiest to make. Wishing someone well for pursuing something you couldn’t offer them anyway shouldn’t take much skill (although I’ve been surprised).
But underlying all goodbyes is that they reflect not just on the relationship you maintain with the people who leave, but also with the ones who stay. They set a tone for how you treat people when things get rocky or take a different direction. It seeps into everything else. No goodbye is a single, isolated event.
Say goodbye with grace.
condor
on 13 Aug 15It’s useful to remember that ‘employees’ aren’t there to serve you (the owner), and that ‘employees’ aren’t resource to be managed. Sometimes you need help to build you’re dream, and so you find other folks with time and talent that are willing to help.
Christian
on 13 Aug 15I think that you are spot on. I was laid off last Friday. It was difficult for me, and the managers seemed to make it seem that it was difficult for them as well. They were pretty lousy in their attempt. I was cordial, professional and did all of the bullshit well-wishing, “Thank you for the opportunity” “I plan to take my experience and knowledge and apply it to my next venture” Bull Shit. I am not pleased with the opportunity. Experience, what fucking experience! I worked 10 to 12 hour days busting my ass, and you didn’t know a month ago that work was declining…or “softening” as he put it. I am a worker. I love working. Please be honest people. I believe most employees appreciate that.
GregT
on 13 Aug 15@condor,
What? You think that if I voluntarily pay people, they aren’t there to serve me? OK, so ‘serve me’ is provocative wording. But if I’m writing you a cheque and putting shoes on your kids’ feet, at the end of the day, we can be touchy-feely and talk about happy goodbyes and free drinks and 4-day weeks and your professional goals all you want, but when push comes to shove, you’re here to advance my interests and you are going to have to do what I say. It’s not show friends, it’s show business.
Also: sometimes you need help to understand the difference between ‘your’ and ‘you’re’.
condor
on 13 Aug 15@GregT
Guilty as charged, I mispelled ‘your’; should’ve proofread before posting. Please believe me when I say I didn’t intend to write ‘you are’ in that sentence.
It has nothing to do with being touchy-feely (or bullshit perks or shows of appreciation etc.); it has everything to do with human respect and a humane attitude. No one is there to serve you, get over yourself. No one is there to advanced your interests, that’s your job (notice the ‘my’ in ‘my interests’). People exchange their time and talent to help you achieve your goal for your money, it’s pretty simple. That exchange doesn’t define how you should treat them, there’s no implied status-differential in that exchange. If their time and talent aren’t helping you achieve your goal, say goodbye with graciousness. It’s YOUR fucking goal, not theirs, take responsibility; don’t blame or sour on them (assuming there’s no fraud or shadiness etc. involved).
“It’s not show friends, it’s show business” reminds me of another line with the same message: “Nothing personal, it’s just business.” Bullshit. The truth is, it’s not business, it’s not personal, it’s not friends, it’s all the same fucking thing: it’s life. Treating people like shit in business is treating people like shit in life.
Brandon
on 13 Aug 15It’s obvious that:
condor = Employee GregT = Owner
My view seems somewhere in the middle. Yes all employees should be treated with respect, but also respect should be given to the owner for building a system that let’s everyone involved make money. If that relationship get’s lopsided in anyway it doesn’t work.
If they employee thinks he deserves high-pay and shouldn’t have to do anything for it, they deserve a quick boot to the curb for not respecting the contributions of the owner to build the business into what it is.
If the owner thinks he’s responsible for the entire success of his business, imagine a hypothetical where every employee quits at the exact same time. Could you run all the aspects of it and satisfy all of your customers? If the answer is no, and it certainly is if you’re more than a few person company, then you’re not entirely responsible for your success. If you still think you are and treat your employees like they are somehow lesser people than you as a result, you deserve them all to quit on you.
I don’t like the line “But if I’m writing you a cheque and putting shoes on your kids’ feet…” The first part is fine, you’re writing me a CHECK (American company blog) but you’re not putting shoes on my kids’ feet, I am. I return my services in exchange for that check. Implying that you give my family something implies that you are doing me some kind of charity and that I’m a lower tier citizen, much like the status-differential comment condor makes.
While David’s post was from the view of an owner, it should also be added that an Employee should always say goodbye with grace as well. Whether they didn’t pay you enough, worked you too many hours, or didn’t give you all your favorite projects, it’s likely that you learned something and made a living and now can move onto something better.
Great discussion Gentlemen.
condor
on 13 Aug 15@Brandon
Wrong. condor = Human and business owner.
Let’s stop perpetuating this bullshit idea that business owners are due some extra special type of respect. People in general are due respect, by default. Everyone has something to offer, everyone has their own skills and talents; no need to rank them. With all the ‘disruption’ happening in the high-tech/software industry, it amazes me the staid idea’s about business hierarchy have been inherited as the gospel truth.
Instead of thinking about how owners should be treated, and how employees should be treated, think about how people should be treated and everything will be alright.
Brandon
on 14 Aug 15@condor
Sorry for my assumption.
My point of view stems from seeing both sides. I grew up in a family business that I left, and have been an Employee for a while now.
I’m glad that you see everyone as people, not as titles. If everyone did the same, everyone would be much happier in their lives.
Jeri
on 15 Aug 15@condor
And if my dream isn’t going so well, is it OK to stop paying my employees? Will they continue to “help” me if I do that?
I agree a good working culture is important and both sides need to respect one another.
But employees aren’t ‘helping’ you for free. You are both entering into a contract where there is an exchange of money for services.
In that sense, you can even say a company is that employee’s “client.” And as a client, you are helping the employee achieve her dream as well.
Anonymous Coward
on 15 Aug 15Nice post, I think I’ll do an article similar to my blog ;) jobculture
adela
on 17 Aug 15But employees aren’t ‘helping’ you for free. You are both entering into a contract where there is an exchange of money for services.Cao dang y ha noi
Richard Ransom
on 18 Aug 15I just got fired. Well, maybe “dismissed” is more accurate, as I never got paid for my work. I was fired from a startup, and pay was to be in ownership shares. I didn’t get any. Ooops. Don’t forget to actually enter into that implied contract.
I agree that we need to say goodbye properly. It didn’t happen in this case on either side, though I plan to go back and say farewell once the flames stop shooting out my ears. Saying goodbye properly wasn’t the problem, and doing it now won’t fix much (though it will keep me in contact with some valued colleagues).
Bad goodbyes are a result of bad hellos and a series of bad conversations. Of not knowing what you’re being held responsible for, or being measured by, or what goals you’re supposed to achieve. Yes, you might screw up your emotional parting scene, but the reasons you did (and why it’s happening at all) are not something you can fix by keeping your temper and being real nice about saying, “You’re gone!” or “I’m outta here!”
Failure to know responsibilities, metrics, and goals sounds like an employee issue, but that sentence can just as well be read for managers. What do your employees feel you should be responsible for? measuring them by? achieving? Employees need to know answers for themselves, but managers should be aware of their own answers from the perspective of those who work for them. You can then have confidence that a sour goodbye was in spite of your best efforts to set the stage for a great performance.
That said, in my experience from both sides of the boss’s desk, it never happens that way. Bad goodbyes are because it went bad at hello.
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