This has been a hard one to keep to ourselves, but the time is finally right: We’ve signed a deal with a publisher to publish our next book.
The process
Even though we had tremendous success self-publishing Getting Real, we decided that this time we wanted to write a best seller. We want to sell hundreds of thousands or millions of copies. We couldn’t do this on our own, so we decided to work with a traditional publisher.
To help us find the right publisher, and to help us navigate the process, we enlisted an agent. We hired Lisa DiMona on Seth Godin’s kind recommendation. Lisa had the connections that made the meetings that made the deal happen.
With Lisa’s guidance, we wrote a proposal which she distributed to about eight different publishers. Proposals were sent to big New York publishers, small indie publishers, and a couple in between.
We received positive feedback from almost all of them, and received a preemptive offer. We were planning to go to auction with the book in a few weeks, but one of the publishers wanted to make us an offer so we didn’t go to auction. After careful consideration we thought it would be best to go to auction instead of take the preemptive deal. In the end I believe this was the right decision.
Off to New York
A few weeks later David and I were in NYC for the Web 2.0 conference. We set up meetings with six publishers while we were there to meet with the publishers who showed the most interest.
The meetings were really interesting. At the end of the day they were all going to do roughly the same thing, but the way they approached the deal was different. Some publishers had more progressive royalty arrangements, some had more traditional ones. Some dangled big marketing plans, some were more low key. Some touted their current roster of authors and shared their books with us, some barely mentioned their other books. Some were flashy, others were modest. But we enjoyed meeting all of them. We learned a lot in those meetings. They were all good people, but we certainly hit it off with some better than others.
Picking the publisher
After two days of exhaustive meetings, David and I went over our notes. Most of our conversation revolved around the personalities we met. They were all big time publishers so we knew they had the muscle to get behind the book. They all had similar promises and similar plans to get the book out in front of the right buyers. Some could definitely pay more than others, but I’d say we figured they’d all be able to deliver the money as long as the book sold well.
But the personalities were different. And since we had to work closely with these folks for a long period of time, we wanted to find someone we felt comfortable working with. After talking a lot about this, we figured that there were three publishers/editors that we felt the most comfortable with. We told Lisa who we were most excited about.
The next day Crown, one of those three we really liked, decided they really wanted the book. They made a preemptive offer. Crown knew the auction was the following week so they wanted to get in ahead of everyone else.
We really liked their offer and we really liked their people. Their pedigree was impressive. Their author roster was solid. Rick Horgan, the Executive Editor, and the main guy we’d be working with on our book, has edited over 60 national bestsellers including books by Bill Gates, T. Boone Pickens, Maria Shriver, Fran Drescher, Henry Louis Gates, Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, Pete Sampras, Jackie Joyner Kersee, Louie Anderson, among others.
We took it. We signed with Crown.
UPDATE: We submitted the first draft of the manuscript a few weeks ago. Last week we got 20+ pages of personal feedback from Rick. The feedback was detailed, thoughtful, honest, and instructive. We were blown away by it (in the most positive sense imaginable). We’re lucky to have an editor who cares this much about our book. His feedback confirms our feeling that we made the right decision going with Crown.
What’s it called and when’s it out?
The working title is Unconform (descriptive subtitle TBD). We know that’s not a word, but that’s why we like it. It suits our core message of doing business differently and it’s a battle cry for all those who are willing to try something different. But titles are funny things so we’ll see how much we like it a few months.
We don’t know when the book will be out, but these things typically take a good 12 months to finish up, package up, plan out, and publish. When we know more about the release date you’ll hear it first here on Signal vs. Noise.
More soon!
We’ll be sharing notes about the writing and editing process here. We also hope to share some behind the scenes footage (audio, video, and text) along the way.
So thanks for everyone’s support and we hope you like the book once it’s out!
Joshua Clanton
on 02 Dec 08Congratulations! I’ve read Getting Real half a dozen times since grabbing my hard copy 3 months ago, and am looking forward to reading Unconform as well.
Martin Ringlein
on 02 Dec 08Congrats, looking forward to reading it.
James Deer
on 02 Dec 08Congratulations guys, looking forward to seeing it released.
Joël Cox
on 02 Dec 08Great! I’m sure I’ll order one when the book is published.
Robert
on 02 Dec 08So what exactly is it about?
Robby Russell
on 02 Dec 08Congrats and keep up the great work!
Bob
on 02 Dec 08Damnit, another book I’m going to be forced into buying. I just dropped $130 on PragProg over the holiday and now you guys are releasing this book? Looks like I’m forgoing updating the laptop in order to purchase reading material.
Tom
on 02 Dec 08“Unconform” is in Webster’s.
JF
on 02 Dec 08So what exactly is it about?
Entrepreneurship, simple and small as a competitive advantage, techniques we’ve used to build our business, and a variety of things we’ve learned along the way.
It’s not about software or tech. This is a business book.
Anonymous Coward
on 02 Dec 08Will it be available freely in HTML and as PDF at a lower cost like Getting Real?
JF
on 02 Dec 08Will it be available freely in HTML and as PDF at a lower cost like Getting Real?
It will not be available for free, but an e-book, audiobook, and some video are planned. It’s too far away to say exactly what will happen, how much it will cost, and when it will be out.
Matt V
on 02 Dec 08‘Unconform’ is a perfectly cromulent word.
jankees
on 02 Dec 08Great news!
Saverio Mondelli
on 02 Dec 08Congratulations! I’m very anxious to get my hands on this. Getting Real was a very enjoyable read and I’m sure this will be just as good if not better.
Nate Bird
on 02 Dec 08I like the title. Short and simple. Congratulations on the book deal. Good recommendation from Seth too.
BradM
on 02 Dec 08That’s great news! As a future customer of the book, I do have one question however. Will you be including a chapter on writing proposals? I would be interested in viewing (with all private financial data taken out of course) your proposal that you wrote with Lisa’s guidance.
Mike Rundle
on 02 Dec 08This sounds really good, can’t wait to check it out.
Jason, did the impetus for wanting to push this book in front of a big(ger) audience stem from the success Seth Godin’s had with his business & marketing books?
Seth’s done one of the best jobs spanning between best-selling author and well-known Internet blogger/personality that I know of.
Brandon Durham
on 02 Dec 08Congratulations guys! That’s fantastic news. I can’t wait to read it.
JF
on 02 Dec 08I would be interested in viewing (with all private financial data taken out of course) your proposal that you wrote with Lisa’s guidance.
I’ll see if we can post the proposal here. It doesn’t have any financial information. Just pitches the idea, explains who 37signals is, press mentions, etc.
Brandon Eley
on 02 Dec 08Wow, awesome journey! I can’t wait to read the book. And a small request: PLEASE release it on the Kindle…
rp
on 02 Dec 08awesome, looking forward to reading it. getting real had a massive impact on the way I function now and deal with my clients.
Chris
on 02 Dec 08Sweet! A shot in the dark but I’m guessing another 37 signals tome to add to my “If you haven’t read this then you can’t work for us” recruitment book list.
JF
on 02 Dec 08Jason, did the impetus for wanting to push this book in front of a big(ger) audience stem from the success Seth Godin’s had with his business & marketing books?
Not specifically, but Seth is an inspiration on a few levels.
But the reason we went with a traditional publisher is because we want to reach an audience beyond our own built-in audience. We want to sell hundreds of thousands or millions of copies of this book. We think the content and the message should be heard by all kinds of entrepreneurs (or business owners / product managers) in all kinds of industries.
We’re good at reaching our audience. Our audience is expanding, but we think a traditional publisher can expand our reach far beyond what we could do on our own.
Andreas Carlsson
on 02 Dec 08It’s really good that the business side of what we all do is getting out in book-form, the more the better.
There are too many publications about traditional business and management, and I think it is time to let everybody learn about the way we, the one-person/small businesses, do business on- and offline. How we form large powerful teams without the traditional organizational rules and burdens.
I’m glad that the book is about biz. Today tech is at every mans hand and it is quite easy to get your business up and running when it comes to tech. But what a lot of people need is the extra business courage and knowledge to make the leap for success.
Looking forward to reading the book!
Nik Bauman
on 02 Dec 08Great job guys. I’m stoked. Thanks for sharing the process with us.
Aditya Kothadiya
on 02 Dec 08Congratulations! I’m very excited about it. I understand, it won’t be available for Free in HTML, but it can be charged as well.
Sometimes HTML-based books are better than PDF-based eBooks. They are more interactive (provided that you add commenting, embedded videos) and easily-accessible book formats.
I wish even “Getting Real” can be more interactive by adding new media like commenting, videos in your HTML-based book.
Why books are still one-way communication when rest of of the media (newspapers, magazines) is going towards two-way interactive communication?
I hope to learn your view points.
Jonathan Kong
on 02 Dec 08Great story on how the whole episode unfolds. I’m excited to get a copy a this business book in hard/paperback copy than soft copy 12 months down the road in waiting. Cos I would probably take references and reminders from the book constantly.
Tim Jahn
on 02 Dec 08I think using a traditional publisher for this situation is a good move. As you said, you’re still reaching your core audience but this will help you reach many, many others who need to hear what you have to say but may not necessarily be turned in to your signal 24/7.
Looking forward to the book!
NewWorldOrder
on 02 Dec 08Having exclusive video associated with the published book sounds like an awesome idea…
Andrew Carter
on 02 Dec 08Would love to see an ebook version – more specifically epub. My Sony Reader is quickly becoming the place I want to do reading.
mj
on 02 Dec 08I’d like to cast my vote for a PDF version of the book (that can be read with any PDF reader, unlike Adobe’s eBooks that can only be read with their Digital Editions software).
A lot of your potential readers (myself included) will be reading it mostly in workplaces that need to “unconform”. This is the best way to get your book “behind enemy lines”.
rick
on 02 Dec 08Fran Drescher?? THE Fran Drescher?
Scott Brooks
on 02 Dec 08Jason, Congrats man.
I think that you have a very hard act to follow with getting real. That book was written at just the right time for us as we started our company, it got more then a few re-reads as we would go back as it was the barometer for a completely new space. It was an original written by someone actually doing it vs being a person on the side lines watching it. Glad that you didn’t wreck that one with a publisher. It would have lost something ….
Sounds like you went the right way and found the right person in a very murky publishing sea. I look forward to this one, although now that you have set the stage and laid this out as a best seller …I will only be happy if in 40 years I am still seeing reprints of it …. ala Dale Carnegie. This is a marathon not a sprint.
good luck, break a leg? not sure what to say to an author in process … snap a space button? Cheers scott
Matt Jaynes
on 02 Dec 08Please please please do some adwords micro-testing for your title ;) Loved the last book, but I just can’t seem to muster up any affection for ‘Unconform’. Maybe it’s the best title to be a best-seller, but doing some TimFerriss-esque testing may give the book an even better chance.
I’ll be reading the book either way :)
Noel Hurtley
on 02 Dec 08Congratulations on the book deal! I look forward to reading Unconform when it’s released.
Eric Santos
on 02 Dec 08Great news! Can’t wait to read it. ;) Thanks for sharing the process as well! Best of luck on the endeavor.
August Lilleaas
on 02 Dec 08Bah, I’m not even 50% through understanding Getting Real yet! (Even though I have owned the book for 2 years.) Oh well.
Terry Storch
on 02 Dec 08Congratulations…and thank you for all you do. I am confident this is going to be a best seller! Keep “Unconforming!”
Keith
on 02 Dec 08Congratulations. Your hard work continues to pay off!
Tilney
on 02 Dec 08Congratulations, and an excellent choice. I remember speaking with some of Crown’s publicity staff during my days at the Wisconsin Book Festival—great people!
It would be ideal if the timing of your book’s release coincided with Book Expo America (end of May 2009)—it is a fantastic event to get your book into the hands of booksellers around the country (the world, even), who will in turn help get your book into the hands of readers.
Either way, here’s to your success!
tt
on 02 Dec 08“Entrepreneurship, simple and small as a competitive advantage…”
“But the reason we went with a traditional publisher is because … we want to sell hundreds of thousands or millions of copies of this book.
Feeling conflicted?
Keith
on 02 Dec 08Why is that a conflict tt?
One reflects an internal business management style. The other refers to capitalizing on the infrastructure of an external business.
Myron Tay
on 02 Dec 08Am I the only one who wonders why it took so long for em to launch a real book? Congrats!
Rob
on 02 Dec 08congrats on the new book guys – i’m looking forward to reading it when it comes out!
just a small technical note – for some reason, the “continued” link doesn’t show up in your feed when i’m looking at it in google reader. because of that, i almost missed this great article. maybe you can fix somehow? (or maybe i can?)
cheers and congrats again.
Daniel Gibbons
on 02 Dec 08@tt: It’s not a conflict at all; in fact isn’t it exactly the point? 37Signals is, relatively speaking, a tiny company, but their approach has allowed them absolutely massive leverage in all kinds of ways. Every small business needs to learn how this leverage works, and how to get it.
Andrew Cornett
on 02 Dec 08Awesome, just about ready for another dose of getting real.
GeeIWonder
on 02 Dec 08Congrats on the deal.
Now go and earn it. ;)
Iron-E
on 02 Dec 08Glad to see you’re releasing your book on unconformity by conforming to traditional book publishing. Really proves the premise of your argument.
Anonymous Coward
on 02 Dec 08CONGRATS on the signing – a “Bible” for entrepeneurship!
M & D
Dan
on 02 Dec 08‘Unconform’ is a perfectly cromulent word.
Ha! I would also like to add the first phrase that popped in my head:
“That name is delightful… no, no, it’s brilliant… no, no , no… there is not word to describe it’s perfection, so I’m forced to make one up. And I’m going to do so right now… scrumtralescent.”
Way to go guys. Can’t wait to read it. The world seems to desperately need some common sense in business. High-five!
Brade
on 02 Dec 08Yeah, definitely stick with that title. It definitely sums up the spirit that comes across in this blog. I’m sure you’ll keep us up to date on the book’s status!
The Pageman
on 02 Dec 08Congratulations! “Getting Real” is required reading for the ISEBIZ students of the Information Systems program of De La Salle – College of Saint Benilde. We look forward to your new book! :) and yeah, Congrats to CROWN! :)
Mike
on 02 Dec 08Congratulations guys, but I can’t say I agree too much with Brade about the title…
You’ll get it right eventually I’m sure :)
Nivi
on 02 Dec 08Congrats. I enjoyed Getting Real and I think it is under-appreciated. I’m really looking forward to the new book. I sometimes describe Getting Real as an example or instantiation of Agile or Lean.
It’s cool that you “paired” with David on the New York meetings. I think the benefits of pairing extend beyond programming. Detectives do it. Recovering alcoholics do it. Husbands and wives do it. Business people should do it too.
Just a person...
on 02 Dec 08Wow… congrats guys. I read “Getting Real” and it was pretty good. I don’t want to sound mad or anything, and I DO like 37s products, but….
I do have to ask… are you just completely abandoning your actual business of app-making?
Why are you so worried about getting some major buck$ from a book deal rather than do what you do best – make web apps?
I feel like 37signals is dying as a cool web company and now just a “look at us! we rock! you want to be us and you should! oh, and buy our new book too so we can continue to tell you why we are better than you”.
First its accepting money from Bezos after the whole “we hate vc’s” attitude and now its book deals.
37s, you are changing. And not in a good way. Hm… :/
JF
on 02 Dec 08“Just a person…” Why would you think we’re abandoning our actual business of making web apps? We’re constantly improving our products. We’ve released major updates for Backpack, Basecamp, and Highrise this year. We spend 95% of our time on our products.
We’ve written two books in the past and are now writing a new one. We haven’t changed our focus or our priorities.
We’re definitely not dying. Business continues to grow—even in these rough times. We’ve never had more customers or better revenues than we do today. All is very well in 37signals-land.
Our books have never been about “telling you why we are better than you”—that’s not at all the message. Never has been and never will be.
We’re just here to share what works for us in the hopes that it might help others who are just starting or going through the same things we’re going through.
gwg
on 02 Dec 08I’m a bit confused, in paragraph 5:
Then later you took a preemptive with Crown? So you never went to auction, you just turned down the first offer and got a second offer you liked better?
JF
on 02 Dec 08gwg: The first preempt was before we actually met anyone. We’d only talked to people on the phone. We wanted to meet the publishers in person before we made any decisions.
The second preempt was after we met everyone and a few days before we went to auction.
"D"
on 02 Dec 08There is always room for a cynic: viz., “Just a Person” – regardless of how misguided he or she might be!
“D”
Oskar Lissheim-Boethius
on 02 Dec 08Great news! Make sure they think of doing a beta book program, a la Pragmatic. Could be a good thing to try for the aging tree-based publishing industry, why not.
Great to meet you in Malmo, David.
Peldi
on 02 Dec 08Let me know if you need proof-readers, I’m good at that. Congrats, looking forward to devouring your new book! :)
Matt Radel
on 02 Dec 08Sweet! While I’m sad to hear that you’re moving away from self publishing, I’m looking forward to it.
gwg
on 02 Dec 08Gotcha; I was reading like a teaser “We turned down the preemptive offer to go to auction, here’s the full story.”
James
on 02 Dec 08guys.. how about letting your users name the book ?
canuk
on 02 Dec 08Cool! Can’t wait for the book. I like your simple, honest approach and reading Getting Real was inspiring.
Unconform sounds good too – it’s not about technology, but business, which is great because the technology isn’t the problem, implementing what technology allows us to do, is, and as such I think this book will be a hit.
Taylor
on 03 Dec 08So what who bought the book? What imprint will it be published under?
Steve Turner
on 03 Dec 08Congratulations on the deal guys!
I did actually read about this in Publishers Weekly a couple of weeks ago, but obviously the timing for your announcement was up to you.
Good to hear your philosophies will get out to a wider audience, and I can see why you’ve gone with a big publisher, and just how the book will fit into the marketplace. I think what 37Signals does is about way more than tech anyway, so it will be good to get that to a bigger audience.
Great work!
Dave Smay
on 03 Dec 08David and Jason,
Just wanted to say, “Congrats.” I thoroughly enjoyed and have cited your first book as back-up on presentation, strategic and operating points at my day job. It was a pleasure to meet you both at NYC2.0, and I look forward to purchasing your new book once it goes on sale.
[signed] The tall “Missouri Fishing Trip” guy from NYC2.0
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Miles Burke
on 03 Dec 08Well done, Jason, David and team. Loved your first two, and look forward to reading number three. Maybe you need to publish 37 books as a set? :)
Dave Greiner
on 03 Dec 08Congrats guys, that’s very cool. I recently lent Getting Real to a friend in a completely different industry and he got a lot out of it. Your core message is something that we’ve certainly gained from, great to hear a whole lot more people will soon have access to it.
Matthew Scott
on 03 Dec 08Jason,
I read Just a Person’s comments and they make sense…
However, I must hand it to you & team, I am amazed at all the improvements and evolution of your web apps (I use all of them) while at the same time (my observation) utilize your public visibility platform to ignite conversation.
I think it must be really difficult to do both equally well and have the two efforts reconcile into a collective brand strategy.
I say “Go for it.”
I think in this day and age, you don’t have to make a choice about either this or that, as long as you are excellent in both.
Stay true to your vision. Be consistent and just stay focused on being excellent.
You & 37 Signals will be fine.
Walter H
on 03 Dec 08A question and an observation:
Observation: I would wager a guess that nearly all if not all of those books you cite published by Crown were ghost written. Does this give you pause for concern?
Question: After reading (back in the old days of course) your economic rationale for self publishing your original book in downloadable PDF format (which I’ve purchased), I’ve never read a nuts and bolts economic rationale for going the other route this time around. Seems only fair.
DKebb
on 03 Dec 08Nice.
As a customer, I’d rather you worked a bit more on integrating all the 37S apps and less on the BS that prevents you from implementing basic features.
Adam Fitzgerald
on 03 Dec 08Good for you Jason. Gee you guys can’t catch a break no matter what you do, by the looks of most of these comments.
JF
on 03 Dec 08As a customer, I’d rather you worked a bit more on integrating all the 37S apps and less on the BS that prevents you from implementing basic features.
Writing this book doesn’t take away from web app development. Different people are working on different things.
Patrick
on 03 Dec 08Looking forward to buying this best seller!
Minnesota Web Designer
on 03 Dec 08congrats on the new book deal
Anonymous Coward
on 04 Dec 08congrats
Anonymous Coward
on 04 Dec 08i hope its got lots of pictures
Eric Baumel
on 04 Dec 08Congratulations!
I’m looking foward to your next book.
I bought your Defensive Design for the Web book back in ‘06. I had read Getting Real on line and immediately bought a hard copy for myself to reread (physical books are still real objects of desire) and bought a second copy for my son in University.
I’ve been an enthusiastic user of your products and have been evangelizing for them to my colleagues.
Keep up the good work.
Russell Perry
on 04 Dec 08Jason – if you need a case study out of Phoenix, let me know. 2009 is going to be great. Congrats.
Rajarajan
on 04 Dec 08Congrats guys. Looking forward to read your book.
Mike Gowen
on 04 Dec 08Congrats guys! Can’t wait to read it.
igwe
on 04 Dec 08I agree with Andreas Carlsson. Thanks in large part to the ruby on rails culture and 37signals, the tech part is now really easy and within reach. It’s in business that most of us fail. Can’t wait to read this.
Anonymous Coward
on 05 Dec 08Congrats – but I’ll wait 6 months after it’s published then come back here to download the free copy. Once burned…
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