CD Baby founder Derek Sivers interviews Tim Ferriss, author of The 4-Hour Workweek. Fascinating stuff. Below are some of the most interesting Ferriss bits from the interview.
Why you shouldn’t view changes as permanent:
So what would happen if you eliminated this? Let’s just say 48 hours, seven days, one month? What would happen if you did the opposite? Those are two very, very useful questions. Most people avoid certain actions because they view changes as permanent. If you make a change, can you go back to doing it like you did before? You can always reclaim your current state in most cases. If I quit my job in industry x to test my artistic abilities in a different industry, worst case scenario, can I go back to my previous industry? Yes. Recognize that you can test-drive and micro-test things over brief periods of time. You can usually reclaim the workaholism that you might currently experience if you so decide to go back to it.
He tested titles for his book via Google Adwords campaigns:
Then I ran a Google Adwords campaign, where your ad appears based on keywords that people were searching for. I ran a dozen different ads with a dozen different potential titles as the advertising headline, with the potential subtitles as the ad text. The click-through page was nothing, but I wasn’t concerned with the conversion or cost per acquisition. I was only concerned with the click through rate – which of those dozen headlines was most popular. So for less than $150 in one week using keywords as a fixed variable, I was able to identify “The 4-Hour Workweek, Escape 9-to-5, Live Anywhere and Join the New Rich” as the most successful title by far.
On scratching your own itch:
If you have something that you would like to make and you just don’t know how to test it, make sure you’re scratching your own itch. Like Twitter: Evan Williams and Jack Dorsey created it in two weeks as a way to scratch their own itch. He said, “At least that way you know that one person is interested in having it.” It’s amazing how many otherwise smart, well-funded companies will use awful statistically-invalid focus groups, then say, “Well, no one in this room likes the idea, but our focus groups tell us that we should make it,” so of course the product comes out and it fails.
You can’t fix an overwhelmed feeling with more work:
That’s a good point – recognizing you can’t fix an overwhelmed feeling with more work. Overwhelmed is not due to lack of time – it’s due to lack of priorities, right? Another flaw in most time management systems is they focus on filling your time – every minute of every day should be filled with a work vision of some kind. Or they don’t instruct you on how to minimize the work. Especially if you tend to wear overwork ethic as some kind of badge of honor, which I know many artists do. Laziness is not less action. Laziness can mean blurred priorities and indiscriminate action. You can be very busy running around with a cell phone to your head 24 hours a day and still be very lazy because you’re not taking the time to prioritize.
Don’t try to make everyone happy:
Polarizing is very important. Don’t try to make everyone your customer and don’t try to make everyone happy. Be very, very honest. Don’t be offensive for the sake of being offensive. Don’t start problems for the sake of starting problems. Be honest, like three glasses in with a group of friends. If most people presented their opinions as they do in that environment to the public they would be much more successful in everything they do, because they’ll polarize people. People will say, “Damn that guy’s a riot.” So few people are honest and direct.
And below are a couple of Sivers’ most interesting comments…
Give yourself a 10-day deadline:
When friends talk about starting a business I say if you’ve got idea you want to do, don’t sit there for a whole year trying to raise funding or whatever before you can put it out in the world. Just give yourself a 10-day deadline. If there’s something you think the world wants, try it within 10 days. If you don’t have a programmer, do it with a piece of paper and a telephone. Start it even with only one customer, because then you can start the feedback loop, finding out what your customers want. Then you can incrementally improve it over the months. A year down the line you’ll be doing so much better than the guy who is still being secretive in his second round of VC funding. Just get it out there and start to get feedback.
Pick the one or two most important things and then stop:
I heard this beautiful bit of advice once that said, “If you’ve got a list of 20 things you should be doing, pick the most important one or two and then just let go of the rest. You will never upload your music to every one of these sites. You will never contact every person. You will never enter every contest. Just take the one or two things that would make the biggest difference in your career, do those one or two, then stop. Turn your attention to the next one or two most important.”
Jeff Putz
on 14 Aug 08While Ferriss has some interesting points, I don’t have any respect for him, or want his life. I’ve only read about his book, and the impression I get is that he lives a hollow existence. Sure he’s set, but he hasn’t created anything of value. I couldn’t live like that.
Juan Pablo
on 14 Aug 08All your posts are great!..I hope my boss could read and understand all this things
Jessica
on 14 Aug 08Though my general impression of Tim Ferriss is that he’s huge jerk, his comments here are interesting and inspiring. Thanks for posting!
J Lane
on 14 Aug 08@Jeff
Tim’s book is a pretty good read, regardless of if you want to be like him or not. Reading between the lines, there’s a lot of great information in there on testing markets cheaply, business automation, and most importantly, doing what you love.
Matt
on 14 Aug 08@Jeff
I think is life is the complete opposite of hollow: he can do whatever he wants to do. In my book, that’s the ultimate. Imagine if you could say I want to learn this or I want to go here and actually be able to do it.
He creates value for himself, not for you. That’s the whole point.
Stephen
on 14 Aug 08@Jeff
In soundbites Ferriss’ views can sound a little trite, but it’s inaccurate to state that he hasn’t created anything of value.
LitLiberation raised more than $250,000, for example, and is paying for the education of thousands of children. That’s pretty worthwhile.
Stephen
Tanner Christensen
on 14 Aug 08Some great insight here – in my opinion. And like all advice: people can chose to accept it or reject it.
James
on 14 Aug 08I have to agree with Jeff. Living the Ultra-vagabond lifestyle is cool and it would be great to have the money to go, see and do whatever you want; it’s a difficult way to build any kind of meaningful community in your life. he may have lots of “friends” all over the world, but I’m sure it’s difficult to build deep relationship with them when you’re living your daily life all over the place. I think his book has some great thoughts on how to create more freedom in your life to explore your true passions, however.
Scott
on 14 Aug 08Matt: In his book and the interview linked here, Tim describes the very definition of “a hollow victory”. He describes how he won the gold medal at the Chinese Kickboxing National Championships: “If one combatant fell off the elevated platform three times in a single round, his opponent won by default. I decided to use this single technique and just push people off. The result, I won all my matches by technical knock out and went home national champion.”
Champion? Yes. Kickboxing Skills: No. Ask yourself: Which would you rather have? Titles or skills?
To him, it’s an example of changing the rules and “looking for loopholes”. To me, I’m happy living a life without loopholes and shortcuts and it’s worked out very well so far.
Personality aside, it’s a good book full of concrete things to think about and I like how each chapter ends in actionable items. Put to practice, the book really could change ones life. I like the book, just wouldn’t want the authors’ life.
Don Schenck
on 14 Aug 08The comment about being yourself: That’s my problem … I’m not transparent enough.
laugh
Okay … I’ll take your advice. I’m starting toward my goal of competing in a bodybuilding contest next year and winning a trophy (Best Legs is where I’d do best). I’ll be at the gym right after work today.
And my wife’s garden sculpture website? I’m reserving the domain name and getting the site working within 10 days!
Thanks. Stay tuned.
Worker B
on 14 Aug 08What has Tim created of value? It seems he’s created a mindset and toolset which allows him the freedom to pursue his interests – whatever those might be.
This seems pretty valuable to me… If your interest is saving the world, perhaps his techniques could help you. I’m quite certain judging Tim based on how he spends his time won’t help much…
ML
on 14 Aug 08You don’t have to want Tim Ferriss’ life to recognize the value of his ideas. Use the means he suggests to achieve whatever ends you desire.
Cody
on 15 Aug 08@James The book isn’t about living the ultra-vagabond life (unless that’s your goal in life). It’s about gaining the freedom to do what you want with your life. I love my work, but I’d rather do it for fun than do it for pay.
Clark
on 15 Aug 08It’s amazing how many people resist these ideas. I for one would love to have the time to do the things that truly matter to me.
nemrut
on 16 Aug 08The problem with Mr. Ferriss’ book is not the intent-freeing up your time to do what you want in life, but the methods-which arent based in reality for the average person.
There’s no denying that the advice he preaches are common truisms that many understand and aspire to but the huge chasm to realizing those aspirations, are for many, insurmountable.
Seth
on 17 Aug 08Great post, thanks for the link.
For the naysayers – keep doubting yourselves. It makes it easier for the rest of us to achieve what we want. ;)
Jesse Hines
on 17 Aug 08“The problem with Mr. Ferriss’ book is not the intent- freeing up your time to do what you want in life, but the methods -which arent based in reality for the average person.”
Like only checking email twice a day, accomplishing one’s most important task first thing in the morning before anything else (including email and voicemail), drastically reducing the amount of often superfluous information we consume?
The average person can implement those methods and plenty more of his—if one is willing to buck corporate convention and the mindless ratrace that our society tries to dictate.
I love his approach. It definitely frees up time for me.
nemrut
on 18 Aug 08’...Like only checking email twice a day, accomplishing one’s most important task first thing in the morning before anything else (including email and voicemail), drastically reducing the amount of often superfluous information we consume?’
This is nothing new. Anyone with a modicum of time managemnt skills understands what works efficiently – for them. The hardest thing about time managemnt is not the plan but the follow through.
Anyway, please let us know 1yr from now how your life has changed as a result of this book. As far as i’m concerned, young Mr. Ferriss is a scam artist plain and simple. He’s laughing all the way to the bank as all the sheep buy his book…
Jesse Hines
on 18 Aug 08“young Mr. Ferriss is a scam artist plain and simple. He’s laughing all the way to the bank as all the sheep buy his book…”
Really. It’s much too easy to accuse people of something. Offer hard evidence that proves Ferriss is a scam artist. Otherwise, you’re just slandering someone. Anyway…
“please let us know 1yr from now how your life has changed as a result of this book.”
Forget one year. Already, I’ve drastically cut down on the number of blogs I read, how often I deal with email, I’ve learned to single-focus better on important tasks and put those tasks before the smaller, less important stuff, I’ve thought really hard about how I do want to spend my time…
Sure, what he says has already been said and isn’t really new at all, but his book was the catalyst that got me acting on these common-sense approaches.
I have more time to focus on what’s important and to enjoy the stuff I truly like—because I am following through on the plan.
He’s not a god. I simply appreciate his bucking the constant motion, tons of hours, busywork, information-overload ethos much of America has bought into.
I reject that nonsense. And for that alone, the book was worth it.
nemrut
on 19 Aug 08‘Really. It’s much too easy to accuse people of something. Offer hard evidence that proves Ferriss is a scam artist.’
One only has to look at Mr Ferriss ‘vitamins supplement’ website to see what a complete scam he is running.
The personal anecdotes in his book simply reinforce his character flaws and illustrates how someone has gotten ahead in life through deception and taking the easiest path possible.
Jesse Hines
on 19 Aug 08“The personal anecdotes in his book simply reinforce his character flaws and illustrates how someone has gotten ahead in life through deception and taking the easiest path possible.”
I don’t agree with everything he advocates or has done, but…if we can get something important done well by taking “the easiest path possible” then are we not irresponsible and unwise for not doing so?
There’s no reason to take the “work harder, not smarter” approach to life, especially when there are legit alternatives.
Work smarter, not harder.
Anonymous Coward
on 20 Aug 08‘if we can get something important done well by taking “the easiest path possible” then are we not irresponsible and unwise for not doing so?’
Therein lies the key flaw in Mr Ferris approach to life. Things ‘worth doing and doing well’ require hard work and discipline.
As the saying goes, ‘It’s all about the journey not the destination.’
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