Is this the Dilbert Daily Strip blog or I’ve got on the wrong website?
Danny
on 12 Apr 10
@Greg Laws, correction Estimates are educated guesses, to be used as a baseline. They are not gospel and should never be treated as such. And if the person you get an estimate from can’t provide an educated guess then don’t get them to estimate. Or make sure you are talking to people like Mark, who can tell you when an educated guess isn’t possible.
@Danny Estimating a performance increase is a guess in the same way planning is guessing. It’s something we can do, but we shouldn’t sweat over doing it. Jason made the point about planning in this post.
The conversation Jason and Mark had was totally funny. But, I think Mark’s answers were spot on. He knew that spending a bunch of time estimating the benefits of his work wasn’t worth it. That it would just be a guess. And in the end he didn’t sweat it. If they really want to know the outcome they will know after real metrics have been gathered.
JF
on 13 Apr 10
For the record, I am totally comfortable with Mark’s answers.
“No one says no to me”
Well, they do. :-))) Welcome to the world of autonomous systems we call humans.
jd
on 15 Apr 10
Jason sounds like a real prick. 37signals comes off as so pretentious and arrogant. I used to think creative and smart.
Anonymous
on 15 Apr 10
@jd: WHOOSH
anon
on 15 Apr 10
@jd – i guess not everyone is able to pick up on sarcasm.
jd
on 16 Apr 10
@anonymous + @anon – sorry fanboys, it’s not just this, it’s everything about the 37s attitude. Like, “We wrote a book about how our way of doing business is so awesome and everyone else sucks.” “We think developing for the iphone is stupid because it’s not universal, but now we have an iphone app…” on and on… I’m just sick of these guys, and the software’s not even that great.
JP
on 16 Apr 10
i like the 37s attitude… you should sell a t-shirt with that says:
“No, but I can make something up if you prefer :)” Customer Service @ 37signals
I liked the book, too. It’s made me realize important stuff about day-to-day activities…and for the record, the software IS great… it really is
Adam
on 16 Apr 10
@jd
Someone is jealous.
Seriously, people who troll this blog are the worst. No one cares what you have to say jd. At all. Unsubscribe and don’t post here again if you don’t like the content. Go do something useful with your life. 37signals isn’t ever going to change based on your pathetic comments, nor should it. That goes for all you trolls.
Rock on 37s. Funny stuff. I especially like the second and third comments to this post.
jd
on 16 Apr 10
@Adam – could you please stop trolling my comments. I’d really like only people that agree with me to respond. I promise to be more useful in the future and just Woo Hoo! 37S forever!
Adam
on 17 Apr 10
@jd
Hahahahaha I guess I am being a little hypocritical.
Andreas
on 18 Apr 10
How much faster was it?
This discussion is closed.
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Richard Nyström
on 12 Apr 10Haha awesome!
JF
on 12 Apr 10Looks like it’s time to hire a new Sys Admin. Inquire within.
MI
on 12 Apr 10You might want to call Jason directly, his email seems to be on the blink all of a sudden.
JD
on 12 Apr 10humor@37signals
Jake A. Smith
on 12 Apr 10So, I just posted a screenshot from your campfire to my campfire. That was fun.
Mathieu LEMAIRE
on 12 Apr 10Excellent ^
Is that what that yellow banner on top of the article is about? ^
“Jobs: TeamSnap is looking for a Senior Systems Engineer/Programmer. See more on the Job Board.”
Greg Laws
on 12 Apr 10Estimates are guesses.
http://bit.ly/12Z9dN
David Andersen
on 12 Apr 10Hilarious!
Lee Egström
on 12 Apr 1090% of all estimates are made up…
Anonymous Coward
on 12 Apr 10Something makes me think Jason was not kidding in the conversation.
Lucas
on 12 Apr 10Is this the Dilbert Daily Strip blog or I’ve got on the wrong website?
Danny
on 12 Apr 10@Greg Laws, correction Estimates are educated guesses, to be used as a baseline. They are not gospel and should never be treated as such. And if the person you get an estimate from can’t provide an educated guess then don’t get them to estimate. Or make sure you are talking to people like Mark, who can tell you when an educated guess isn’t possible.
Amber Weinberg
on 13 Apr 10lol nice! You guys should really go into comedy. You’re freakin hilarious.
Eric Anderson
on 13 Apr 10I can tell if this is an attempt at comedy or a post runamock. If comedy I don’t get it.
Someone
on 13 Apr 10@JF: No. There, I did it too.
Nithin Bekal
on 13 Apr 10@jason. Who do I send the resume to? ;-) :P
Paul Saunders
on 13 Apr 10I’m loving the quote: “I can make something up if you prefer”... Also has Mark been reading Rework?
Bryan
on 13 Apr 10Now THAT is some funny stuff!!! Jason: “No one says no to me”.... hahaha, priceless.
Greg Laws
on 13 Apr 10@Danny Estimating a performance increase is a guess in the same way planning is guessing. It’s something we can do, but we shouldn’t sweat over doing it. Jason made the point about planning in this post.
The conversation Jason and Mark had was totally funny. But, I think Mark’s answers were spot on. He knew that spending a bunch of time estimating the benefits of his work wasn’t worth it. That it would just be a guess. And in the end he didn’t sweat it. If they really want to know the outcome they will know after real metrics have been gathered.
JF
on 13 Apr 10For the record, I am totally comfortable with Mark’s answers.
Elixon
on 14 Apr 10jd
on 15 Apr 10Jason sounds like a real prick. 37signals comes off as so pretentious and arrogant. I used to think creative and smart.
Anonymous
on 15 Apr 10@jd: WHOOSH
anon
on 15 Apr 10@jd – i guess not everyone is able to pick up on sarcasm.
jd
on 16 Apr 10@anonymous + @anon – sorry fanboys, it’s not just this, it’s everything about the 37s attitude. Like, “We wrote a book about how our way of doing business is so awesome and everyone else sucks.” “We think developing for the iphone is stupid because it’s not universal, but now we have an iphone app…” on and on… I’m just sick of these guys, and the software’s not even that great.
JP
on 16 Apr 10i like the 37s attitude… you should sell a t-shirt with that says:
“No, but I can make something up if you prefer :)” Customer Service @ 37signals
I liked the book, too. It’s made me realize important stuff about day-to-day activities…and for the record, the software IS great… it really is
Adam
on 16 Apr 10@jd
Someone is jealous.
Seriously, people who troll this blog are the worst. No one cares what you have to say jd. At all. Unsubscribe and don’t post here again if you don’t like the content. Go do something useful with your life. 37signals isn’t ever going to change based on your pathetic comments, nor should it. That goes for all you trolls.
Rock on 37s. Funny stuff. I especially like the second and third comments to this post.
jd
on 16 Apr 10@Adam – could you please stop trolling my comments. I’d really like only people that agree with me to respond. I promise to be more useful in the future and just Woo Hoo! 37S forever!
Adam
on 17 Apr 10@jd
Hahahahaha I guess I am being a little hypocritical.
Andreas
on 18 Apr 10How much faster was it?
This discussion is closed.