The new Highrise site features video interviews with customers (the first time we did this was for Basecamp). Here’s a look at the process that went into creating these videos:
Finding subjects
First, we posted an alert inside the Highrise application asking customers to email us if they lived in Chicago and were interested in participating. We got a few dozen responses and started the vetting process (appropriately, we use Highrise to track all the conversations we have with candidates).
During this process, we’re trying to gauge a few things: Who they are, what their business does, where they’re located, what their offices are like, who we’ll be able to talk to, when they’re available, etc. Of course, we’re also looking for people who really love Highrise and are talkative about it. Also, we try to get a well rounded pool of subjects, not just tech/design firms (which often express the most interest).
Setting up the shoot
Once we pick our subjects, we schedule out the shoots, two shoots per day over three days. When shooting day comes, we travel out to their location. Steve Delahoyde from Coudal Partners helms the A/V equipment and does all the editing for the videos. He brings an assistant too so we have two cameramen. (Multiple angles helps give the final cut some more life.) After we shoot the interview footage, we capture some B-roll footage too: people working at their desks, entering the office, talking over some stuff with coworkers, etc. It helps liven up the final product so it’s not just talking heads the whole time.
We usually work pretty quickly. Find a good backdrop for the shot and start filming. We vary between interviewing one person at a time or having two people talk together. Depends on the situation. Sometimes you can get a good conversational rhythm going when people are actually interacting with each other. Also, it’s interesting how often coworkers finish each other’s thoughts and sentences. But sometimes, it’s best to shoot just one person at a time, especially if there’s more of a boss/assistant vibe going on in that workplace.
We begin by having the subjects talk about themselves, their company, what they do there, etc. It’s a good starting point because people are used to pitching their own companies, so it gets the ball rolling and gets them used to the process. We try to keep them off of any talking points schpiel so it doesn’t sound too rehearsed.
Talking about Highrise
Then we move to Highrise. We usually shoot for about an hour or two and then edit the videos down to just a few minutes. So we’re really looking for those nuggets of gold. And you can usually hear them too as the interview goes along. Someone mentions that Highrise is like “a rolodex on steroids” or “solves my business ADD.” And you know there’s something there.
When that happens, a technique I’ve found really helpful is to have the subject take a stab at repeating the idea again. Some people nail ideas the first time it comes out of their mouths. But for most people, the second or third time is when they say it best; With each repetition the idea gets more concise and has a sharper zing. That said, there can be diminishing returns after a while. Make someone repeat the same idea too many times and it’ll start to lose its oomph.
The questions are key too. We go into the interviews with a few key points we want to hit. In this round, we really wanted to emphasize the idea that Highrise is about preparedness. It gives you a record of the past that helps you prepare for the future. It allows you to continue conversations instead of restarting them from scratch. So those were topics we specifically asked subjects to address. Also, we try to emphasize specific features that subjects like. If someone’s loving Deals or uses tags all the time, we want to hear about it.
One of the most interesting aspects of talking to customers is how they’ll sometimes guide you to your strongest selling points. For example, several times we heard versions of this same story: Someone’s on hold that called for me. I quickly pull up their Highrise page, look at our previous conversations, and then take the call. Before, I would have had to ask what the call was in reference to. With Highrise, I come off as super prepared and ready to go. Every client feels like they’re a top priority. It’s a huge win for us. When you hear that multiple times from different subjects, you know there’s real value there.
As for interviewing tips, I think the first key is making sure the subject feels comfortable. Emphasize this is low pressure, they can repeat stuff if they want, and that we’ll edit out anything that comes out wrong. And the other key is to really be interested in what the person is saying. Lock in and really pay attention. It’s tempting to take notes but you get better responses if you maintain eye contact. Also, you want to offer encouragement by nodding but without making a noise (it’s very tempting to give an “uh huh” but you wreck the audio if you do that). Sidenote: It’s interesting how fatiguing it is to really listen to someone talk. After 30-45 minutes of an interview, it’s tough to stay locked in for much longer.
Editing
Once we’re done filming, the editing process begins. Steve really does a great job of honing all the footage into something tight. He usually does a rough cut that’s about 5 or 6 minutes so we can see where it’s headed. Then we’ll chime in and offer feedback on what we do or don’t like or want to emphasize. After a few rounds of this we wind up with a solid final cut and drop in title slides, music, and screenshots which we ask clients to submit. (If they’re wary about showing data that might be confidential, we create dummy screens in Highrise that we can use instead of the real thing.)
Overall, the whole thing was a real hustle. We initially posted the call for subjects in the beginning of November, filmed the subjects within a couple of weeks, edited the videos during December (slowed down a bit by the holidays), and then launched the new Highrise site in January with a couple of the videos. We’ve since added another one and there are a few more on the way.
Related: I [heart] Basecamp customer videos [SvN]
Update: Forgot to mention the music tracks we use in the videos. Mark Greenberg created them (he’s a former member of The Coctails). We went through some back and forth on the music too, going through different tracks to find the right vibe. We wanted something that sounded cool but wasn’t too jarring. Some of the initial efforts had too much percussion. We think what you hear now adds some nice flavor without distracting.
Jeff Mackey
on 04 Feb 09Interesting insight. Thanks! Curious, though, why you’ve decided to host the videos from Vimeo instead of how they initially appeared (via your own site either Quicktime or Flash)? Bandwidth issues?
Braxo
on 04 Feb 09Do you compensate your subjects at all for the time? Does that ever come up in conversation before film day?
I see making the video as something that benefits both you and your subject for the time that is needed to produce each one. But I’m curious if you comp them service, monetary, perhaps just a lunch that day?
JF
on 04 Feb 09@Jeff: We went with a hosted video provider because it’s easier for us.
Before the process involved converting the Quicktimes to Flash using a Windows program, and then dealing with a bunch of residual files and issues. Further, people couldn’t embed those videos.
Vimeo (or Viddler or YouTube or Brightcove, or whomever) just makes this whole thing easier.
JF
on 04 Feb 09@Braxo: No, we do not compensate the people. This is not a paid advertisement or paid endorsement.
They do get exposure when we post the videos on our sites, but that is the extent of the compensation.
Paid testimonials make me queasy. I don’t trust them.
MJ
on 04 Feb 09Well, you produced too much traffic for vimeo ;) Getting “Sorry – this video no longer exists” now.
BJ
on 04 Feb 09Great writeup on videography. All your B-roll shots are shaky though, might want to use some stabilization techniques (say, a Tripod?)
Cheers :)
leethal
on 04 Feb 09FYI, I get “Sorry. This video no longer exists.” on all the vimeo videos. I’m located in Norway (in case that matters).
Nate Rosenberg
on 04 Feb 09Great post! We are thinking about doing this with our customers. Can you share some of the specific questions you asked? Also, if possible, can you give us an idea of about how much it costs?
ML
on 04 Feb 09@Nate Rosenberg: I find it better to go in without too much of a script. I have questions ready to go but usually just follow the conversational trail wherever it goes.
Some basic starter q’s though: * Why do you need Highrise? How do you use Highrise and why do you like it? How many contacts do you have? Which features do you use most? How do you use specific features (e.g. Dashboard, Contacts, Tasks, Cases, Deals, Tags, email dropbox, etc.)? What did you use before and why did you switch? Any specific story about a project or situation where Highrise helped you out? Any tips or tricks for other customers?And then I’d be sure to touch on the specific points mentioned in the post too.
Bob Monsour
on 05 Feb 09Favorite video quote “dropbox, single greatest invention since sliced bread.” Reason for it being my favorite? It’s true!
JLuna
on 05 Feb 09Excellent post!
Can you share a little about the A/V side of these projects? What camera(s) does Steve use? What about lighting and editing software?
These videos have a professional look – but not so polished that they lose their authenticity. Bravo Zulu.
Johan
on 05 Feb 09Great videos! One thing to change would be to make sure that the people who are being interviewed are sitting on stable chairs. In the last video Clint is rotating on his chair constantly which is quite distracting :)
Brandan Lennox
on 05 Feb 09Definitely digging the soundtracks. Not intrusive but still adding some style.
Steve
on 05 Feb 09JLuna: Happy to answer the tech questions.
The central camera was an HVX200 and the 2nd was a DVX100. The main camera was shooting in HD (at 720p so we’d have space on the cards to shoot more footage), but the DVX is SD-only, so I had to do some tweaking and stretching to make them match, but because they’re both Panasonics, the contrast/saturation is fairly similar across the whole brand, so it was easy enough to pull off effectively. Initially, once these were all edited up, I think we were figuring we’d return to the standard Flash player we’d used previously for the Basecamp videos, but when we started playing with Vimeo’s HD services, we realized that that was the way to go. If I could go back in time, I’d have used an HD camera for the 2nd camera too, but all in all, I think it blends together pretty nicely.
Lighting-wise, we used a standard Arri kit with four lights of various strengths. We tried to use as many as we could to give some nice texture, but sometimes the spaces were too awkward to work with or cramped, so we worked with what we could.
Editing, I use Vegas, which I’ve been in love with forever, since back when it was owned by Sonic Foundry (Sony bought them out a few years back, but thankfully have left all the goodness of the product alone). I also edit in Final Cut, which I enjoy and edited the Basecamp videos in, but for every 10 steps you have to go through there, you can do it in 1 step through Vegas, so it feels much more freeing and allows me to edit more quickly and effectively. Sadly, it’s not available for Mac, so I have to Boot Camp over.
In response to another comment above in regard to the camera shake on the b-roll, that was a sort of semi-conscious decision on my part. The interview footage is so static, so I wanted to try to make some of the b-roll look a little more less formal and unrehearsed, like we were catching these real moments of people in their native terrain, actually working. There are a lot of customer testimonials out there where the b-roll is so slickly produced that it doesn’t seem genuine in the slightest, which I wanted to avoid (also, shooting two of these per day makes for tight, hurried schedules). Some of it might be a little too wobbly at times, but I hope it isn’t to the point of distraction or nausea.
Dylan Bennett
on 05 Feb 09@Steve – Love what you said about Sony Vegas. I love it for those same reasons. (Including the fact that Sony left the development team alone after buying it.)
This was a great video. Thanks for sharing the behind-the-scenes details on producing it.
Jon Reese
on 07 Feb 09Blogs are tough to read on the computer screen so I read svn every day on my iPhone instead from the comfort of my couch. But the videos don’t work on it. Would you consider posting them as YouTube instead? Would love to get the full effect of your post. :)
Curious
on 10 Feb 09Did you obtain permission from Vimeo to use their services to promote your products?
Vimeo guidelines (http://vimeo.com/guidelines) explicitly state that “Businesses may not use Vimeo to promote their business in any way” and “No commercial videos, which means videos selling a product or service.”
I’ve wanted to use Vimeo for my business, too, but these restrictions made me look elsewhere.
This discussion is closed.